Re: [CR]CR- Explaination-Durifort Vrs Reynolds/ Gitane Interclub

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Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 08:52:29 -0600
From: "bratt" <bratt@sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]CR- Explaination-Durifort Vrs Reynolds/ Gitane Interclub
To: reelfishin <reelfishin@netzero.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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----- Original Message -----
From: reelfishin
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]CR- Explaination-Durifort Vrs Reynolds/ Gitane Interclub



> There is an early 70's Gitane catalog posted at
> http://www.bikepics.s5.com/photo.html
> The Interclub does indeed list Durifort Tubing in the ad text on the
> Interclub page. It is discribed only as seemless lightweight steel on the
> spec page.Only the Tour de France, Super Corsa, and Gran Tourisme are
> listed with Reynolds 531 tubing.
>
>
> Joe McKishen
> Vineland, NJ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CYCLESTORE@aol.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:26 AM
> Subject: [CR]CR- Explaination-Durifort Vrs Reynolds
>
>
> Hello Fred Rednor and CR Folks,
>
> Looking over some old Email before it is deleted and found the Text Below.
>
> Some clarification before some Durifort/Reynolds assassins shank me at the
> Cirque.
>
> Fred I must have mis communicated some text below to you. The Bike in
> question had a Reynolds Decal but features Durifort Tubing on the downtube.
> The
> thread talked about this earlier. The bike I spoke of was misrepresented by
> accident or design and is sort of a little counterfeit IMHO.
>
> Reynolds 531 is English and Durifort is French, they are not related and I
> did not mean to imply that. While Reynolds 531 is much higher regarded and
> more
> expensive (especially in France) they have somewhat similar weights and
> performance I suspect in some grades and gauges that they share.
>
> Gitane Interclub reference was a little joke. This model was often
> advertised in the early 1970's as being built with Durifort Main tubes as I
> recall. I
> know of no Gitane Interclub built with Reynolds tubing but they may exist.
> Have seen lots of interclubs and never saw any Reynolds tubing on any.
>
> I hope this is a clarification.
>
> Enjoy the cirque.
>
> Gilbert Anderson
> Raleigh NC
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:18:48 -0700 (PDT)
>
> From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
>
> To: reelfishin <reelfishin@netzero.net>,
>
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: CR Reynolds tubing?
>
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> I think Joe's message and the other recent ones that relate to
>
> identifying Reynolds 753, etc. hint at the reasons why builders
>
> of quality frames have frequently left off decals and insignias
>
> for the tubing used in the frames' manufacture. If a frame is
>
> light, strong and properly aligned, does it really matter
>
> what's on the decal? Consider, too, that there are frequently
>
> legitimate reasons for using different types/grades of tubing
>
> in the same frameset.
>
>
> There are lots of misconceptions on this subject. Remember
>
> e-Richard Sach's constant reminders that 531 is a meterial
>
> specification rather than a tubeset? By the way, one of the
>
> messages in this thread - Gilbert's I believe - mentioned that
>
> Durifort is a special grade of Reynolds 531. My recollection
>
> is that Durifort was made by the same manufacturer as Vitus,
>
> perhaps before the company was called their tubes Vitus. I
>
> think it's akin to Columbus Cromor or perhaps even Reynolds
>
> 501. But whatever the tubing used in those Gitane frames, it
>
> didn't prevent him from enjoying those bicycles and I'm sure
>
> that once the frames were built into complete bikes, the
>
> weights were essentially the same regardless of which brand of
>
> tubing was used. Of course this assumes that equivalent
>
> wheels, cranks and derailleurs were mounted on the frames.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
>
>
> --- reelfishin <reelfishin@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > Were all Gitane Interclubs Reynolds tubing? I have
>
> > an early 70's model that has no tubing decal. I am
>
> > guessing it to be somewhere from '68 to '73 by the
>
> > decals and components. One thing that stands out on
>
> > this frame is the oversized seat stays, about 15mm
>
> > in diameter. It seams pretty light, but it
>
> > has no sign of any tubing decals.
>
> >
>
> > Joe McKishen
>
> > Vineland, NJ
>
>
> <<we filed off a downtube cable stop near the bottom bracket.
>
> > The Reynolds
>
> > sticker was low on the seat tube. After sanding a bit it
>
> > seemed the braze
>
> > had
>
> > flowed in the letters and they stood out beautifully in a
>
> > golden hue and
>
> > the
>
> > letters spelled out D-U-R-I-F-O-R-T. This is an extra
>
> > special, ultra
>
> > lightweight
>
> > model of Reynolds 531 used in many Gitane Interclubs as I
>
> > recall.
>
> >
>
> > Very nice tubing indeed.
>
> >
>
> > Yours in Cycling,
>
> >
>
> > Gilbert Anderson
>
> Yours in Cycling,
>
> Gilbert Anderson
>
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