[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 17, Issue 42

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From: "John Morrison" <mrsummit@cox.net>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:21:43 -0700
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 17, Issue 42

Hi Dave, I'd be interested in the TTT Gran Prix 43cm?? Thanks, John Morrison, SoCal


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> 1. Re:Masi GC item (Mark Poore)
> 2. Re: Peugeot bottom bracket issue (Chuck Schmidt)
> 3. What a fool I've been (Joe Bender-Zanoni)
> 4. Re: Regina freewheel date code question (Chuck Schmidt)
> 5. Re: What a fool I've been (Harris)
> 6. Re: pictures up (jerrymoos)
> 7. Re: pictures up (Joe Bender-Zanoni)
> 8. Re: Yesterday's equipment in modern races
> 9. binder toe straps (Hy Schermer)
> 10. Re: Yesterday's equipment in modern races (Jan Heine)
> 11. Reverse pedal threading? (Ted Baer)
> 12. Re: Yesterday's equipment in modern races (Jim Allen)
> 13. Re: Reverse pedal threading?
> 14. Re: Reverse pedal threading? (Jeff Slotkin)
> 15. Now: Strange Masi GC dropouts Was: ebay Masi GC (Chuck Schmidt)
> 16. For Sale: 1980 61 1/4 CM Rossin frame & fork CR $125.00
> 17. Re: Yesterday's equipment in modern races (Chuck Schmidt)
> 18. FS:Vintage Cinelli and TTT bars. (dave martinez)
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mark Poore <rauler83@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re:Masi GC item
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> Bid high, very high so that I am not tempted to join in as it is my size.
>
> Mark Poore, don't need another bike, need to sell some in
> Slatyfork, WV
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:24:37 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Peugeot bottom bracket issue
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> ADP wrote:
> >
> > Even one of my mechanics at work is getting the jump on the French bike
> > theme and got a an interesting frame to make a bike from for Cirque 05.
> >
> > Lee was cleaning it up today and discovered that someone had done something
> > odd to the bottom bracket (I'd like to say MANGLED, but maybe there is more
> > to this then what meets the eye) that I've never seen before. Its almost
> > as if it is chamfered as opposed to properly faced, but not in a perfectly
> > smooth and symmetrical way, its got little scallop marks in the chamfered area.
> >
> > Is this for the famed Mavic bottom bracket, or did someone just torture a
> > perfectly good blue Peugeot?
>
>
> As Jon mentioned, there was a problem with the Mavic chamfering tool. I
> don't think that the cutter was dull though, I think the operator didn't
> use the tool correctly.
>
> I have watched bike mechanics use the tool and wind up with little
> scallop marks because they allowed the tool to chatter and once it
> started doing that, it just cut the resulting little scallops deeper and
> deeper from the cutter chattering.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:30:59 -0400
> From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]What a fool I've been
> Message-ID: <004401c43708$610378a0$6400a8c0@jfbender>
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> http://ebay.com/<blah
> otoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting>
>
> One of those moments of realization- Do you mean that's all I have to do
> stop misplacing those Campy barrel adjusters?
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:29:12 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Regina freewheel date code question
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> Stephen Barner wrote:
> >
> > I was looking at some Regina freewheels this evening and noticed that they
> > looked older than the ones I have seen from the '70s. The lockrings are
> > stamped REGINA GRAN SPORT CORSE SOC. ITAL. CAT. CAL. MERATE--->. The
> > bodies all had a 3 or 4 digit number stamped on the back, ending in 59, 60
> > or 62. They looked like date codes--is that correct? I bet Chuck Schmidt
> > knows. He was the one who outed the fact that Regina was the first name of
> > the founder's mother and Merate was the town where the company started.
>
>
> Yes, they have a last two digit of the year date code on the lock ring.
>
> My Bianchi Folgorissima from 1950 (thank you Mr. Maasland) has the back
> of the Regina Gran Sport 4-speed freewheel stamped with a tiny "4 50"
> (April? 1950).
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:43:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Harris <bianchipan@yahoo.com>
> To: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]What a fool I've been
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> Hey!ME TOO!What a good idea!Remember the Ford Motor,better idea blitz?It just happened to me.
> All the lights are on,but,,,,,,,,,,,,?
> Harris Spracher
> Waynesboro Va
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> wrote:
> otoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting>
>
> One of those moments of realization- Do you mean that's all I have to do
> stop misplacing those Campy barrel adjusters?
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:51:21 -0500
> From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "ADP" <aphillips9@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]pictures up
> Message-ID: <084f01c4370b$396c3fe0$efddfea9@mooshome>
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> Why would someone bring a bike to a show, then object to it being
> photographed?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ADP" <aphillips9@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:06 PM
> Subject: [CR]pictures up
>
>
> > I'm still digging out from being gone for 4 days and now preparing for Fun
> > With Plumbers so it took me a few days to get these up.
> >
> > Cirque weekend pics are at:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/aphillips9
> >
> > A list member at the show at Cirque was concerned that I'd photographed
> his
> > bicycle without his permission, to post with my other Cirque
> > pictures. Obviously, I didn't put those up on my site and deleted them
> > from my camera and my hard drive.
> >
> > If any of you aren't happy about your bikes being on my picture site or
> > would like to attach your name to any of these pics, or would like them
> > removed or have additional info or corrections please email me. I'll
> > certainly honor all requests Except maybe Charles Andrews who has the
> most
> > marvelous Cinelli.
> >
> > I didn't take near as many pics as I thought I would. I was just having
> > too much fun.
> >
> > Ann Phillips, Decatur GA
> > who is still waiting for the listmeister to have a funk category, except
> > Harvey would always win
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:08:27 -0400
> From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
> To: ADP <aphillips9@mindspring.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]pictures up
> Message-ID: <004d01c4370d$9c8ff880$6400a8c0@jfbender>
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> Ann-
>
> You have every right to take a picture of another's bicycle at a public
> show. I can appreciate your amiability in mollifying this character but this
> an absurd extention of a property right.
>
> People needing to be identified with their bicycle or trying to control an
> image you made of their utilitarian object? They need to get a life. We just
> caretake these things anyway.
>
> I gather someone will be miffed at my opinion and have some argument that
> their bike as an artwork and they have the right to control reproductions
> and blah, blah, blah but give me a break
>
> This all changes a bit if the person in fact made the bike and if in fact it
> is arty to some degree but still- give me a break.
>
> Unless you publish pictures of a certain bicycle wheel without credit-
> http://www.moma.org/collection/depts/paint_sculpt/blowups/paint_sculpt_020.h tml
> in which case a hasty retreat would be in order.
>
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
> Hereby granting a universal licence to make graven images of my bicycles and
> to distribute same without attribution.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ADP" <aphillips9@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:06 PM
> Subject: [CR]pictures up
>
>
> > I'm still digging out from being gone for 4 days and now preparing for Fun
> > With Plumbers so it took me a few days to get these up.
> >
> > Cirque weekend pics are at:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/aphillips9
> >
> > A list member at the show at Cirque was concerned that I'd photographed
> his
> > bicycle without his permission, to post with my other Cirque
> > pictures. Obviously, I didn't put those up on my site and deleted them
> > from my camera and my hard drive.
> >
> > If any of you aren't happy about your bikes being on my picture site or
> > would like to attach your name to any of these pics, or would like them
> > removed or have additional info or corrections please email me. I'll
> > certainly honor all requests Except maybe Charles Andrews who has the
> most
> > marvelous Cinelli.
> >
> > I didn't take near as many pics as I thought I would. I was just having
> > too much fun.
> >
> > Ann Phillips, Decatur GA
> > who is still waiting for the listmeister to have a funk category, except
> > Harvey would always win
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:13:33 EDT
> From: WesOishi@aol.com
> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Yesterday's equipment in modern races
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> In a message dated 5/10/04 8:09:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> chuckschmidt@earthlink.net writes:
> I've been going to the MBGP since 1976 and it has _always_ been a crashfest!
>
> "Same as it ever was... same as it ever was... same as it ever was..."
> (Talking Heads)
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> I dunno Chuck (and listees). I have introduced a lot of beginners to the
> sport, and the injuries at local races (and group rides) seems to have increased
> to the point where I am not as enthusiastic about people riding bikes. Locally,
> in a racing context or not, we've had an abundance of broken backs, face
> plants, broken whatever, even fatalities. I wonder if the USCF has any data on
> injuries and if the frequency of same is increasing or decreasing.
>
> It seems to me that during my really active period, from say, 1975 to 1985,
> there were a lot less crashes. Maybe due to a lot fewer people on bikes. But
> I'm not happy to say I've been into almost every ER in the L.A. area, picking up
> people and driving them home.
>
> Wes Oishi
> L.A.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:17:39 -0400
> From: "Hy Schermer" <hschermer@timeequities.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]binder toe straps
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> Because of an accident i can no longer use clipless pedals ,any leads on
> leather toe straps Thanks
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:53:49 -0700
> From: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Yesterday's equipment in modern races
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> It now becomes clear to me:
>
> In the so-called "dark ages" of the 1980s, Campagnolo equipment in
> fact was far superior to Shimano's Dura Ace, thus
> Campagnolo-sponsored riders won most races. Clearly, they outbraked
> and outshifted the hapless Shimano-equipped guys again and again,
> adding up to many victories in all major races.
>
> Recently, however, Campagnolo has lost their technological edge, and
> Shimano's equipment finally is working properly. Thus, Shimaho has
> been able to win 5 Tours in a row.
>
> This is sort of the opposite of what has been reported widely (that
> Campy finally has caught up with Shimano in function), but the facts
> speak for themselves.
>
> To compare average speeds from one year to another is not too
> informative. That would mean that the equipment made a huge step
> backwards in the year following the "Festina Affair." That year,
> almost every race posted much slower average speeds than before. Must
> have been a bad year for both Campagnolo and Shimano. (Or, as Roger
> Baumann, winner of PBP 1956, put it: "It wasn't because of headwinds
> that average speeds decreased so much!")
>
> Recently, speeds have increased again, but most observers in Europe
> have put this down to improved "rider preparation," not improved
> equipment.
>
> The fact that even track racing, which has not seen many improvements
> in equipment - some of those guys still use toestraps and steel
> stems! - is getting faster indicates that it is not the equipment
> that is behind the gains.
>
> I really like the idea of today's equipment in yesterday's races
> (tongue in cheek). Consider that many very real technological
> advances - such as alloy cranks, multiple, easy-to-shift gears with a
> wide spread of ratios, powerful brakes - all were available decades
> before they were adopted by racers, and the idea would not have been
> so far-fetched in 1948. One wonders what would have happened if
> somebody had got a Rene Herse or Alex Singer randonneur, minus the
> racks, lights and fenders, put some nice sew-up wheels on. It would
> have been easy to assemble a 20-lb., 15-speed bike at a time when
> most racing bikes easily weighed 5 lbs. more and made do with many
> less gears. Maybe Fausto wouldn't have been campionissimo...
>
> In fact, people tried all kinds of stuff, including aluminum frames,
> but found them not worth the effort. Some stuff broke, other things
> just didn't provide much of an advantage. When truly superior stuff
> came out, however, like the Mafac Racer brakes or the Campagnolo Gran
> Sport derailleurs, most pros adopted them rather quickly.
> --
> Jan Heine, Seattle
> Editor/Publisher
> Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
> http://www.mindspring.com/~heine/bikesite/bikesite/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ted Baer <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Reverse pedal threading?
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> Hi all,
>
> This may very well go down as one of the most
> ridiculous questions in CR history, but has anyone
> ever come across a set of Campagnolo crank arms that
> are 9/16" x 20tpi "reverse threaded?" I tried
> threading a ton of pedals into a set of cranks I have
> and it wasn't until I caught myself by mistake (in a
> state of delirium) trying to thread a RIGHT thread
> pedal into this particular LEFT hand crank when the
> pedal went in just fine. I checked the drive side;
> sure enough, it was quick to take the left pedal.
>
> These cranks look like they may have heli-coils in
> both sides. Did Campagnolo ever manufacture cranks
> with reverse threading? Or am I just sitting on junk?
>
> Ted E. Baer
> in windy Palo Alto, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:03:41 -0700
> From: Jim Allen <jimallen@nctimes.net>
> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Yesterday's equipment in modern races
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> Not quite, they paved over the railroad tracks on the bottom hairpin turn.
>
> Jim Allen
> the CycleSmiths
> San Marcos, CA 92069
>
> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>
> >Wes Oishi wrote:
> >
> >
> >(cut)
> >
> >
> >>We have a local race called the Manhattan Beach Grand Prix. If today's tires
> >>are substantially better, why does there seem to be substantially more riders
> >>losing it, on the last turn leading up to the finish line? OK, pilot error, I
> >>know.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >I've been going to the MBGP since 1976 and it has _always_ been a crashfest!
> >
> >"Same as it ever was... same as it ever was... same as it ever was..."
> >
> >Chuck Schmidt
> >South Pasadena, Southern California
> >
> >.
> >_______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 05:13:55 +0000
> From: themaaslands@comcast.net
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org (Classic Rendezvous)
> Subject: Re: [CR]Reverse pedal threading?
> Message-ID: <051120040513.17628.40A061120009A794000044DC2200763704FF8C9B919E938C9E9E929A 97@comcast.net>
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>
> Ted asked:
>
> > This may very well go down as one of the most
> > ridiculous questions in CR history, but has anyone
> > ever come across a set of Campagnolo crank arms that
> > are 9/16" x 20tpi "reverse threaded?" I tried
> > threading a ton of pedals into a set of cranks I have
> > and it wasn't until I caught myself by mistake (in a
> > state of delirium) trying to thread a RIGHT thread
> > pedal into this particular LEFT hand crank when the
> > pedal went in just fine. I checked the drive side;
> > sure enough, it was quick to take the left pedal.
> >
> > These cranks look like they may have heli-coils in
> > both sides. Did Campagnolo ever manufacture cranks
> > with reverse threading? Or am I just sitting on junk?
>
> Tandem cranks
>
> --
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:17:09 -0400
> From: Jeff Slotkin <jeffslotkin@comcast.net>
> To: Ted Baer <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Reverse pedal threading?
> Message-ID: <73B84B14-A30A-11D8-8218-000A95A2D3A4@comcast.net>
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> Front half of a tandem set, homemade or otherwise?
>
> Jeff "knows delirium" Slotkin
> Ridin' the fixie to the coast tomorrow from Goose Creek, SC
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, at 12:59 AM, Ted Baer wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This may very well go down as one of the most
> > ridiculous questions in CR history, but has anyone
> > ever come across a set of Campagnolo crank arms that
> > are 9/16" x 20tpi "reverse threaded?" I tried
> > threading a ton of pedals into a set of cranks I have
> > and it wasn't until I caught myself by mistake (in a
> > state of delirium) trying to thread a RIGHT thread
> > pedal into this particular LEFT hand crank when the
> > pedal went in just fine. I checked the drive side;
> > sure enough, it was quick to take the left pedal.
> >
> > These cranks look like they may have heli-coils in
> > both sides. Did Campagnolo ever manufacture cranks
> > with reverse threading? Or am I just sitting on junk?
> >
> > Ted E. Baer
> > in windy Palo Alto, CA
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:42:43 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: "C.R. LIST" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Now: Strange Masi GC dropouts Was: ebay Masi GC
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> Masiphiles:
>
> '74 Masi Gran Criterium (serial # MC 55 / M4):
> http://ebay.com/<blah
>
>
> Anyone ever seen dropouts drilled and milled on a Masi like the ones on
> this bike???
> http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/cd/7e/0e_3.JPG
>
> They are milled similar to the ones on my Confente, but with two
> additional holes.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
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> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:58:31 EDT
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]For Sale: 1980 61 1/4 CM Rossin frame & fork CR $125.00
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> For Sale:
> Rossin (Italy) pro frame set
> Paint: pearl orange sherbet
> Seat tube 61.125 CM center-to-top/ 60 CM c-to-c.
> Top tube 58 CM.
> Chain stays 41.5 CM.
> Fork offset 4.5 CM.
> Head angle 74 degrees (est.)
> Seat tube angle 73 degrees (est.)
> 27.2 mm seat post diameter
> Columbus SL tubing.
> Serial # NK96
> Manuf. circa 1979
> Italian bb & fork threading.
> Full chrome fork, RH chain stay and rear dropouts.
> Campagnolo dropouts
> Condition:
> Straight and never wrecked.
> Missing Columbus decal (replacement supplied with frame however)
> Rust & small blemishes in spots all around frame.
> Specifically minor rust "peppering" on forks, chrome exposed portion of RH
> chain stay, seat lug at seat post binder, top head lug at edges (looks as if
> flux had been originally left under paint.)
> No structural damage, bike could be ridden as is but a refinishing would be
> necessary to make "like new."
>
> Pictures here:
> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/rossin.htm
>
> CR $125.00 + actual shipping charges.
>
> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street
> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408
> 336-274-5959
> fax 336-274-6360
> <A HREF="http://www.cyclesdeoro.com">cyclesdeORO.com</A>
> <A HREF="http://www.classicrendezvous.com./main.htm">ClassicRendezvous.com</A>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:06:08 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Yesterday's equipment in modern races
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> Jim Allen wrote:
> >
> > Not quite, they paved over the railroad tracks on the bottom hairpin turn.
>
>
> You are CORRECT Sir! However, I was referring to the crashing being the
> same as it ever was. They even manage to crash on the _straights_ at
> the Mahattan Beach Grand Prix!!!
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:13:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]FS:Vintage Cinelli and TTT bars.
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> Hello All,
>
> These things keep on wanting to fall on my head every time I open up the parts cabinet. So rather than being taken out by a ttt Competizone, thought I'd offer these to you good people.
>
> 1. ttt Competizone, cool engraving on center section, 40cm. end to end. Excellent condition with just some dried glue residue. $35.00.
>
> 2. ttt Mod Gran Prix, world colors with Oylimpic ring decal on center section, 38cm. end to end. Sort of a Track/Crit bend, Good condition with a fair amount of butchery around one of the drops and the center of the stem clamp area. $20.00.
>
> 3. Cinelli Pista steel, engraved, lovely deep swooping bend, 38cm center to center. Chrome is in very good + condition. Now, the bad news... some ah..goof ball put some creases on the tops, with a creases partially on one of the crests. These should be used for display only and should look ok with some creative tape wrapping. $30.00.
>
> 4. ttt Gran Prix, deeply engraved with reinforced center section. Like a Cinelli Giro 'd Italia bend, 43cm end to end. Very good condition with some butchery where stem clamps (will be probably be hidden with stem attached) and dried glue residue. $25.00.
>
> Offers considered. Plus $8.00 shipping
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Martinez
> Fremont Ca
>
>
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