[CR]Agreed - Resolved - Latest Is Better In Ways

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From: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>
To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Bruce C." <BruceCumberland@comcast.net>
References: <20040512.100929.2596.43.richardsachs@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:46:37 -0500
Subject: [CR]Agreed - Resolved - Latest Is Better In Ways

Agreed - Resolved - Latest Is Better In Ways

and six pounds ( let's call it 2.5 kilograms ) is a chunk of weight !

and when you race all day , every day ( most days anyway ) , most weeks , for a whole season , improvements in convenience and comfort DO count for something !

still , it would be fun to outfit "our" "vintage" team , with the lightest and best 2004 lugged steel frame-sets we could specify , and maybe 1977 Campagnolo Super Record . . . Maybe we could get it down to 19 pounds , versus new-modern 15 pounds ? Could we cheat just a little and use Chris King headsets , and Phil Wood ultra-light "Magnium" bottom bracket sets ?

Raoul Delmare
Marysville Kansas


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven L.Sheffield"


An entirely made-in-2004 19-pound bicycle would be a low-to-mid range production road bike from a company like Jamis.

How would the 21-pound bike with obsolete components compete against the 15-pound wunder-bikes that the pros are riding ... remember, Cannondale had to ADD weights to Gilberto Simoni's bike during last year's Tour to make it meet the UCI's 6.8 kg (14.96 lbs) minimum weight limit.

Their best options for winning races would be in the flat, hard races, like Paris-Roubaix, where a heavier bike is actually preferred ... but not the really hilly or mountainous races.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard M Sachs"


here's my take: it was about the money when thevenet and ovion rode px 10s and when ocana rode speedwells and when harris rode raleighs. when those bikes were new, there likely were geezers saying the machines of the 40s were better.

why can't we agree that bicycles are possibly better now than they were then without trying to imply that if it were not for the money, folks would still race on nuovo record equipped googlyooglys?

e-RICHIE
chester, ct


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kohler"


Finally, I frankly don't care if today's professionals like or ride our classics. My Walter Mitty fantasy isn't a Lance Armstrong competing today on a 1977 Raleigh Team Pro, but me. And I have enough Dutch blood in my veins to make it almost prototypical.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Feeken"


Other way around: If there's a place where you don't have to justify the usage of the old stuff it's this list.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Schmidt"


Yeah, I guess it's the same old insecure guy thing that begins a few months before the TdF every year! Your once state of the art, cutting edge, lean mean racing machine no longer instills bike lust in the hearts of the vast, unwashed, bicycle riding masses anymore because it is... horrors... old and forgotten.

Personally, in my opinion, I think maybe some people don't ride their bikes enough ;)

Chuck "old (sniff) but trying not to be insecure" Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California