Re: [CR]Re:Mies

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To: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:24:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR]Re:Mies
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

"Is there any evidence that frames constructed in this manner are worse than frames not made this way?"

define "worse". that also is a question of esthetics. will employing this technique lead to a failure? i doubt it. is a builder responsible for creating art? prolly. is a bronze welded joint so lacking in style that it needs an added decoration to get a crowd formed around it? i think the builders from "that" era must have thought so. e-RICHIE chester, ct

On Fri, 21 May 2004 13:08:28 -0400 marcus.e.helman@gm.com writes:

I believe that the thread is about more than whether adding lug-like features to a bronze-welded joint is bad from a joinery/metallurgy perspective. As soon as someone brings in references to Mies and french knickers, it does become a question of esthetics.

To get to your point, granted it seems to make sense that extra heating is bad. Is there any evidence that frames constructed in this manner are worse than frames not made this way?

Your humble servant, Marcus Helman Huntington Woods, MI

Richard M Sachs

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Subject: Re: [CR]Re:Mies

05/21/2004 12:44

PM

snipped: "Surely we are not going to get into a debate about whether curly lugs look better than simpler ones. While there may be a shred of objectivity in the Campagnolo-Simplex debate, there cannot be any in a discussion of what looks better. If ever a thing was a matter of personal esthetics, this is it. Personally I think both styles are appealing in their own way."

that's not relevant to the thread. the question is why add lug-like features to a bronze-welded joint? what is the risk-reward ratio in applying the extra heat just for the sake of creating a faux-lug joint?
e-RICHIE
chester, ct