[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 20, Issue 35

> First of all I'd like to thank those who said hello both publicly and
> privately after my initial post.
>
> Now on to topic: one of the most beautiful bikes I ever saw was a "Paul
> Egli" made in Switzerland. I saw the bike circa 1971-72 in the Detroit area.
> It had nervex lugs, and was made with Reynolds 531 DB. The paint was
> unique--a beautiful deep metallic blue that faded into white at certain
> points and LOTS of two color pinstriping everywhere. Oddly I can't remember
> if it had any chrome or not, But it was obviously a high quality bike.
>
> I've never seen another Paul Egli since then and can't find out anything
> about this marque on the internet although I've learned that Egli was a
> Swiss bicycle racer so I'm assuming the bike was named after him.
>
> At any rate I'm wondering if anyone else here has seen or owned a Paul Egli
> and could share some info on the company's history etc. Even better would be
> a link to some photos of the actual bikes.
>
> Thanks in advance ,
>
> Larry Hakim
> Oxford, MS
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:02:47 EDT From: Bikerdaver@aol.com To: LouDeeter@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Summer Trivia Quiz Message-ID: <83.12a5ff0a.2e492457@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2

In a message dated 8/9/2004 9:58:42 AM PST, LouDeeter@aol.com writes: Question 4: Who were Lucille Redman and Wanda Omelian? I think these were my 2 neighbors during the 60s that always had wild parties way into the wee hours and fed my dog pot brownies. One day a moving van showed up and they were never heard from again. rumor has it that they set up a hash bar/velodrome in Amersterdam. well at least thats my guess. cheers- Dave Anderson Cut Bank MT

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:08:32 -0400 From: Thomas E Ward <tom.ward@juno.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]P.C. sings the Internationale + ( . . .pour moi . . . Elrick) Message-ID: <20040809.150926.-444773.21.tom.ward@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3

Chuck (Schmidt) wrote:

<There is a Vintage Lightweight and a English Roadster discussion area there. A couple of weeks ago on the English Roadster forum Peter posted about Yahoo cutting RollBritannia. Sad, as there was lots of great Raleigh info there.

I guess you remember Peter being a rabid British bike supporter on the CR list ("I'll take on all comers on my Sturmey-Archer equipped '48 Raleigh")? He posted on OldRoads Vintage Lightweight forum about buying a Italian CINELLI and a French PEUGEOT and how much he is enjoying riding them. I guess that's why he no longer posts on the CR list?>

. . .unquote! Here's what came to me--all said with a sincere ;-) winking smile.

I miss P.C. though I often felt worried for him! Whenever we collectively get a bit far into comparing and contrasting our conflicting agendas, I always feel like chewing my fingernails. I suspect he's just taking a break--probably exhausted from the effort of struggling against 'the Italian mystique', which I think looked nearly hegemonic to him. Now I'm hoping he's seeing it all "From Both Sides Now" (pardon the extraneous pop culture reference)--which he may have helped others do as well. Regarding P.C.'s new wheels, I think what he went for was a '73 Cinelli--can't beat 'em, join 'em (at the top level)?--AND a n.o.s. Berthoud touring machine--which I badly wanted! I suppose I just will have to learn to save and order a new one for myself. Blue isn't my first pick of color anyway.

I could be wrong on these bits of gossip, but I do think I'd recalled his eBay handle, and I was watching those auctions closely. P.C., if you're out there, monitoring, chime in and tell us about these fab acquisitions--and your road impressions--and if as a result are adopting a more Wilsonian doctrine . . . meant as the gentlest of teasing. What wheelset did you put under the Berthoud, and did you make any other changes? I would've backdated the components a bit, as that's the kind of fool I am.

Actually, while mentioning Berthoud, and having just missed blowing my rent money on the Herse frameset that came and went at auction this past week, I hope it is not too much of an "attaboy" to say that I really like the look of Phil Brown's french-influenced work. Also, I think his graphics must be giving a slight nod to the Fender "spaghetti logo" of vintage guitar fame, in a tasteful way--works for me!. No relation to Phil, other that he's in California, and that's where I was born. Can't (that means, am not disciplined enough to) afford one yet--so don't go changin'.

The "touring" machine (well, frameset) that I *Did* manage to acquire recently is a Geo. Elrick / Stirling (the name was mentioned here recently), built out of 531 and with craftsmanly lugs (and with concave seat-stay caps) for 26" wheels. It has a "quick release" triangulated bag support attached to the rear stays via brazeons. Now I just have to choose and acquire appropriate parts. See you in six months! Anyone have serial # info for Elrick? I suppose this is the right moment to join the VCC and find the 'marque enthusiast'. Also, if interested, there is a page attached to the Flying Scot site that tells a bit of the Elrick story.

Chuck, that match race would be all the more dramatic if You took the S-A equipped RRA, and let P.C. ride the "new" Cinelli . . . .

I may have to leave you all soon myself in favor of the touring group (haha). You see, I am also building up an example of the other "Sterling"--a black "Midlands Custom" model (Haden lugs, 531 tubing) meant for loaded touring . . . definitely a "KOF" frameset, built in 1989 in Pennsylvania. So no Berthoud for me, sadly, but perhaps some Berthoud bags before long.

All Best,

Tom Ward New York, NY . . . where I too had looked for and missed the RollBrittania pages. P.C., I'm sorry that yahoo pulled the rug out from under you like that.

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:19:29 -0700 From: Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> To: "loudeeter@aol.com" <loudeeter@aol.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Summer Trivia Quiz Message-ID: <75d04b48040809121975dbfe8b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71237466.25F2108F.0269AA25@aol.com> References: <71237466.25F2108F.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4

Teeny tiny note:

A Google search on "Nicolas Arrequi" suggests that the correct spelling is probably "Nicoloas ArreGui"

All Hail Zeus! Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA

loudeeter@aol.com <loudeeter@aol.com> wrote:

Who was Nicolas Arrequi and what significance did he play in European cycling history? Answer: Founded Zeus in Eibar, Spain in 1926. ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:20:36 EDT From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo / Campy Replacement Hoods Message-ID: <8c.11c95303.2e492884@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

Many and varied hoods can be found at LooseScrews.com (formerly the Third Hand):

<http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi?nr=1&b=&c=&sc=&tc=&q=hood&s=& id=56706843484>

They have Modolo aeros, plus some nice black and natural generics for $17.95).

<http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi?d=single&c=Brake&sc=Lever%20Hoods& tc=Campagnolo&item_id=EA-BHNRG&id=56706843484>

Don't know if anyone has mentioned these folks as a source already, if so I apologize.

Bob Hovey Columbus, GA

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:30:01 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Zeus Message-ID: <1078BBD0.5D22B4B1.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6

A Google search on "Nicolas Arrequi" suggests that the correct spelling is probably "Nicoloas ArreGui"

I have no idea to tell you the truth. My source was a pamphlet written by Richard Hallett, then of Albuquerque. I also see that Richard Hallett was quoted on the CR page under Zeus where he says the founder was Luis Arregui, not Nicholas Arrequi. So, if someone knows for sure, let me know & I'll correct the entry in the Used Bike Buyers Guide. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:36:46 +0000 From: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." <kctommy@msn.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Stan Pike done, Photos up Message-ID: <BAY4-F8pHSBQAJNACcK0000f924@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7

Well, another simple, easy project completed. Not one problem getting the Stan Pike 753 frame I bought from Martin Copeland put together (by the way, thanks again, Martin!). Oh, there was the usual delay in shipping a frame from Europe, but at least it didn't come from the Netherlands where the DEA would tear the box to shreds looking for hashish. And then never mind the wait for the special order Phil Wood titanium BB for a TA Cyclotouriste double (116mm + 5, and here's where the closed back french threaded crank arms that were a list topic a while back ended up. Thanks whoever it was that traded me these beauties.).

Then there was the minor problem of Steve Willis at the Bike Stand in Scotch Plains having to modify some Campy brake adjustors on the lathe to fit the Modolo Master Pros I had for this frame, after the ebay seller with the tiny photo failed to mention that the adjusters weren't included with the brakes (experienced bike mechanic my #$%@#). And then never mind that the wide splayed seat stays for the full wrap seat cluster hit the rear brake right in the quick release, necessitating an emergency change to a set of Campy Triomphes I had handy (Sorry Steve, but I'll use em eventually and thanks for the ace wrenching!).

And then Steve and I found out that Mel Pinto charged a premium for their TA track pedals with french threads (but, oh, are they pretty!) Then I forgot to tighten the handlebar stem fully in the steerer tube, leading me to wonder "Why is the head set was rattling so badly?!?" and spending half an hour "adjusting" the headset. Then I found out that the TA chainring bolts I had were 5 doubles and one triple (Why does this one bolt stick out so far?) Then I installed the DT shift levers on the wrong side ("Dear, why is there so much swearing coming out of the basement?"). Then I broke several strands of my last derailleur cable trying to get all the slack out of the rear shifter mech (insert bad words of your choice here). Then, ----

But like I said, never any problems worth mentioning. And after a brief test ride, she is a true thoroughbred. Very lite, comfy, and excellent handling. And some of the cleanest lug work I've ever seen. Reminds me very much of a Silk Hope frame with the understated graphics. And no down tube decal to save weight!

A few other oddities: This is apparently the "touring set" 753 tubing, as the seat post is 27.0 (another minor assembly issue I forgot to mention above). Very sensible for a big frame (63 cm). It also has the only fully wrapped seat cluster that I've ever seen on a 753 frame. I haven't had a chance to weigh it yet, but I'll guess 21 lbs with clinchers and no silly ultra light parts other than the aforementioned TI BB. It does have "modern" (gasp!) light weight skewers, seat post and saddle, but I've never claimed to be a "pure" purist. Oh, and I used some Stella Azzura stitched faux leather tape, which looks neato to my eyes. (I got it from World Cycling Productions.)

Hope to make it to Steve Maasland's ride in two weeks near Philly, (the 22nd, right Steve?), and if you are there you can have a look. Until then, here are some pics.

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/thomasthomasa/album?.dir=/c6c1&.src=ph&stor e=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/thomasthomasa

or if that doesn't work, http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/thomasthomasa

and open the Stan Pike folder.

Tom (whew!) Adams, Shrewsbury NJ

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:47:41 -0400 From: Doug Wagner <doug@cis.uky.edu> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Proteus frames Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040809154309.01f5f580@mail.kcr.uky.edu> In-Reply-To: <CATFOODRJrzdDW6lCPx000000a6@catfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Proteus frames were popular here in Central KY because of a local builder/mechanic who worked for them...Steve Bishop. He was later involved with the short-lives Huffy high end cycle venture, and was , I believe, a mechanic for the US National junior teams and Motorola. They were well-made frames, IMHO, but sorry to say I don't know anything about the numerical ID of their builders. Doug Wagner Richmond,KY

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:53:42 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Zeus Message-ID: <4117E447.B15E2C1@earthlink.net> References: <1078BBD0.5D22B4B1.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 9

LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
>
> A Google search on "Nicolas Arrequi" suggests that the correct
> spelling is probably "Nicoloas ArreGui"
>
> I have no idea to tell you the truth. My source was a pamphlet written by Richard Hallett, then of Albuquerque. I also see that Richard Hallett was quoted on the CR page under Zeus where he says the founder was Luis Arregui, not Nicholas Arrequi. So, if someone knows for sure, let me know & I'll correct the entry in the Used Bike Buyers Guide. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

My Zeus catalogs state:

*************** * 1926 * * PATENTES * * N. ARREGUI  * ***************

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:00:32 +0100 From: "brucerobbins" <brucerobbins@supanet.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Wass Roll Britannia: now Peter Kohler's bikes Message-ID: <005101c47e4b$87e4c3e0$62b728d5@Robbocomp> References: <CATFOODEWWnHg4UeaCY000000a8@catfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Chuck Schmidt wrote:
> I guess you remember Peter being a rabid British bike supporter on the
> CR list ("I'll take on all comers on my Sturmey-Archer equipped '48
> Raleigh")? He posted on OldRoads Vintage Lightweight forum about buying
> a Italian CINELLI and a French PEUGEOT and how much he is enjoying
> riding them. I guess that's why he no longer posts on the CR list?

Actually, Chuck, a quick check of the archives revealed, as I thought I remembered, that Peter did in fact share with us that he had bought or was about to buy both the Peugeot and the Cinelli.

Bruce Dundee Scotland

(Not to be confused with Donald Dundee of Boston)

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:06:52 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]P.C. sings the Internationale + ( . . .pour moi . . . Elrick) Message-ID: <4117E75C.8B5E0092@earthlink.net> References: <20040809.150926.-444773.21.tom.ward@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 11

Tom Ward wrote:
> (cut)
> Actually, while mentioning Berthoud, and having just missed blowing my
> rent money on the Herse frameset that came and went at auction this past
> week, I hope it is not too much of an "attaboy" to say that I really like
> the look of Phil Brown's french-influenced work. Also, I think his
> graphics must be giving a slight nod to the Fender "spaghetti logo" of
> vintage guitar fame, in a tasteful way--works for me!. No relation to
> Phil, other that he's in California, and that's where I was born. Can't
> (that means, am not disciplined enough to) afford one yet--so don't go
> changin'.

Here's some pix of the above mentioned froggie: http://www.goldsteinproductions.com/Bastille2001/PHBrown.htm The graphics were inspired by 1930s French Art Deco.
> Chuck, that match race would be all the more dramatic if You took the S-A
> equipped RRA, and let P.C. ride the "new" Cinelli . . . .

Tom, I think I will have to transfer my Dale Brown bestowed title of "Provocateur" over to you ;) The above sounds more like a dare than a challenge (hee hee).

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:06:48 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Connection between Gun tubes and Bike Tubes Message-ID: <7EA3FEAA.611F944C.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Eibar, Spain is also the home of Star firearms and maybe others. I know it was the primary steel producing town for Spain in the early 1900s. I don't know of a connection between Star & Zeus other than both are in Eibar. A couple of days ago, I posted an ebay outing for a Browning bike that might have been connected to the Browning Firearms company in Belgium. And, it seems that last month someone mentioned that Steyr (the Austrian gun company) made Puch at one time. It seems logical to me that a steel company would manufacture tubing and gun barrels. But, other than these examples, were there others? Lou Deeter, Orlando FL ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:13:48 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Connection between Gun tubes and Bike Tubes Message-ID: <4117E8FC.B649F13F@earthlink.net> References: <7EA3FEAA.611F944C.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 13

LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
>
> Eibar, Spain is also the home of Star firearms and maybe others. I know it was the primary steel producing town for Spain in the early 1900s. I don't know of a connection between Star & Zeus other than both are in Eibar. A couple of days ago, I posted an ebay outing for a Browning bike that might have been connected to the Browning Firearms company in Belgium. And, it seems that last month someone mentioned that Steyr (the Austrian gun company) made Puch at one time. It seems logical to me that a steel company would manufacture tubing and gun barrels. But, other than these examples, were there others? Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

A.L. Colomo (Italy) makers of Columbus tubing.

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:16:07 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Connection between Gun tubes and Bike Tubes Message-ID: <4117E987.B2FEFC90@earthlink.net> References: <7EA3FEAA.611F944C.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 14

LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
>
> Eibar, Spain is also the home of Star firearms and maybe others. I know it was the primary steel producing town for Spain in the early 1900s. I don't know of a connection between Star & Zeus other than both are in Eibar. A couple of days ago, I posted an ebay outing for a Browning bike that might have been connected to the Browning Firearms company in Belgium. And, it seems that last month someone mentioned that Steyr (the Austrian gun company) made Puch at one time. It seems logical to me that a steel company would manufacture tubing and gun barrels. But, other than these examples, were there others? Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

A.L. Colomo (Italy) makers of Columbus tubing.

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Oooops, A.L. Colombo S.p.A. ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:25:31 +0000 From: "sam Lingo" <samclingo@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]the first Message-ID: <BAY1-F73JXXgVS6hMdw0001693c@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/273894/derailer0001.JPG

Gotta start somewhere

sam lingo,pleasanton tx

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:27:04 -0500 From: "LouDeeter" <LouDeeter@aol.com> To: "Classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR] Message-ID: <hrosyrvzmbiucxnafuc@bikelist.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:25:43 -0400 From: "Angel M Garcia" <wa2vuy@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]P.C. sings the Internationale NOW Berthoud Message-ID: <031e01c47e4f$0cb214d0$0000a398@DXROOM> References: <20040809.150926.-444773.21.tom.ward@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17

Mr. Berthoud is visiting the USA and you can be personally measured up "in August". Read more here: http://www.wallbike.com/

Angel Garcia Long Valley, NJ

snip
>So no Berthoud for me, sadly, but perhaps some Berthoud
> bags before long.
> Tom Ward
> New York, NY

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:39:03 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR] Message-ID: <4117EEE5.2D3BD258@earthlink.net> References: <hrosyrvzmbiucxnafuc@bikelist.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 18

LouDeeter wrote:
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Your silence speaks volumes Lou ;)

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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