To add a datum, I have a '72 with the fastback stays and full sloping crown, and it rides sweetly for me. I haven't raced it so I can't comment on the high speed 'dice it up' ability, but it's nicely stable without being a slug. Of course it's also a 25" frame, so there's lots of room for trail, angles and rake. Are the poor handling bikes generally smaller frame sizes?
Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
>From: jamie swan
>To: raleypc@netscape.net
>CC: RDF1249@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Retro Raleighs
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:29:38 -0500
>
>In the late 90's I had a '77 or '78 Professional. As mentioned earlier it didn't have fast back stays or the sloping crown and the workmanship was very good. It didn't have shifter braze-ons if that is a clue to the exact year. I rode it for 2 years. I still think it had the best steering geometry I ever experienced. I know the guy who I sold it to and I keep meaning to contact him and make arraignments to measure the head angle and rake.
>
>Unfortunately there were problems with the paint in those years. It seems particularly vulnerable to corrosion. Rust gets under it and it bubbles up in huge areas; particularly the top tube. The one that I had was N.O.S. when I started riding it in 1998. By the end of the first season it looked like it had been left out of doors for 10 years. When it first started to fail one of my buddies reminded me that there was an epidemic of this problem back then. One of our friends got his frame replaced under warranty 3 times in 2 years... Sure rode great though!
>
>Jamie Swan - Northport, N.Y.
>
>
>raleypc@netscape.net wrote:
>
> > Like the build quality, I have found the ride of 70's Raleighs to be variable as well. I have three Internationals and they all steer differently. If you look at the two chartreuse '71 Internationals on Ebay now you will see one with a fork that has quite a bit of rake , mostly at the bottom, and nice thin tips. The other has much less rake and a more continuous fork bend. I also have both of these versions and the former version is far more sensitive (although prettier to my eye). I also have a International with a Pro fork that steers best of all. And yea, I can get the one shimmy, but no "tank slappers" as of yet!
> >
> > I would like to think that Raleigh changed the fork rake in an effort to improve the handling but I suspect that it was likely the result of what fork blades the worker happened to pull from the bin that day!
> >
> > My '48 RRA steers better than all my Internationals and Pro's!
> >
> > Paul (but they look so pretty in the catalogs!) Raley
> > Leonardtown MD
> >
> > RDF1249@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> I don't know when the change happened; but I'm sure there are plenty who
> > >> do. I'm still looking for a cure for interest in 70's Raleighs, myself. ;-)
> > >>
> > >
> > >Brian - Just ride one o the damn things for a couple years and that will cure
> > >you. Squirrelliest bike I ever had! Must have had 40mm of trail if that. I
> > >rode - er - wiggled an International across the US on Bikecentennial in 1976.
> > > Later, we used to offer to derake the forks for people who complained about
> > >their shimmy. It helped some but not much. I sold Raleighs in the early 80s
> > >by the way, and the last few years of the Pro had the aforementioned nearly
> > >flat crown and no longer had fastback stays. Back in the day my buddies who
> > >could afford one had a Paramount. Now I have four of them as you saw last summer
> > >and do they ever ride nice! They had steering geometry dialed!
> > >
> > >Bob Freeman
> > >Seattle
> > >
> > >
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