Should read "as I'm concerned Fiammes or another ferruled rim are appropriate..."
The proofreading department went to sleep at 11PM. Not that that hasn't happened before and I appreciate anyone decoding other unintentionally cryptic messages from these parts.
Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ
> Here here Chuck!
>
> I was just about to chime in with what a PITA washers are when building
> wheels. Let alone taking them apart. And inherently weaker than a ferruled
> rim.
>
> Chuck's comment is exactly right that no one replaced that first set of
> Martanos with another in the 1970's. As far as I'm concerned Fiammes
another
> ferruled rimare appropriate and an upgrade unless you strive for an "as it
> came out of the box" thing.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]re: martanos for Masis
>
>
> > "C. Andrews" wrote:
> > >
> > > I've been informed by a Masi maven that the bowtie rims
> > > showed up as OEM equipment on Masi GCs before 1975.
> > >
> > > Works for me. Chris got the right rims for the job (I was
> > > informed that his frame is 1975)...and the bowtie rims are
> > > somewhat easier to find than the pyramid rims, the
> > > pyramid-sticker-rims are very difficult to come by, in my
> > > experience.. it also means I can build up some wheels with
> > > the bowtie rims I have and put them on one of these Masis
> > > hanging around here..
> > >
> > > Charles Andrews
> > > SoCal
> >
> >
> > A few points:
> >
> > The "pyramid-sticker" is more accurately described as a "wing-sticker"
> > as the design is an Art Deco representation of wings.
> >
> > The wing-sticker precedes the bowtie-sticker; they are different decades
> > from a graphic design standpoint.
> >
> > Martano rims with the separate steel washers were antiquated by the 70s
> > when compared to other Italian and French rims using ferrules (shaped
> > like thimbles) for the spoke holes, the ferrule being held by the inner
> > and outer walls of the rim.
> >
> > I think Masi got a "deal" on the Martanos since they weren't state of
> > the art and probably not selling well by the 1970s.
> >
> > If you bent them (and I bent them on my Champagne '75 GC when the bike
> > was new) you didn't bother replacing them with more Martanos, THAT'S FOR
> SURE!!!
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, Southern California
> >
> > .