Re: [CR] Asking Manufactures to remanufacture older sought afterbicyc le components

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:16:14 +0100
From: "renaissance-cycles" <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] Asking Manufactures to remanufacture older sought afterbicyc le components
To: Bainbridge <gotfleas@earthlink.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Well then I guess TA is one of the lone hold-outs, they still produce their pedals and Cyclotouriste cranksets. I read somewhere that the Cyclotouriste was out of production?...............But I just ordered 20 sets from the Belgium importer, her master sheet for 2004 states that it's still in production.........Up until the time of the order she had no idea that it was still in production. So to say if TA can still have this machinery available to produce then why not the other big boys such as Campagnolo....I'll order 25 plus sets of pedals and perhaps with a few other in need they'll pump out a production run. This......................small....................time!........For some somewhat small money. But they still do it! Campagnolo and others, bottom line to me it's all about money!.........money!..................money!

BTW: Not only does TA produce their pedals with ALLOY cages but steel as well! You don't see the steel pedals and cages being availabe anywhere but it's available. We do have pedals in both forms on order, alloy caged and steel caged. Piste pedals as well will be arriving with steel and alloy cages.

Campagnolo hoods......................Well the better part of this group knows of a certain party that did reproduce the world logo hoods! BTW: Is this guy still around?..................I'm sure someone on this list probably still has contact with this fellow..........I can use a few sets myself.

Back to work I go!

BC Baron C............................And the gang!! Renaissance cycles, Eindhoven Holland.


----- Original Message -----
From: Bainbridge
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] Asking Manufactures to remanufacture older sought


afterbicyc le components


> I think folks are missing the point here when they say that Campy won't bother to do this until intrest takes place in Italy or France. When you run a production line it isn't as simple as pushing a button and picking up a few cheap brake hoods.
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> First of all, the tooling has likely long since been destroyed. If I'm not mistaken the world logo hoods dropped out of production some 20 years ago. No modern factory has room to keep all of their 20 year old tooling hanging around. This is even more likely true in this case given that since then Campy completely re-vamped their factory moving to modern CNC machines and updated forging equipment .
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> Once you get your hands on tooling, you have to find a place for the machine. A well laid out factory maximizes space and flow of production, so if you set up the old machine it is likely at the expense of a new machine that could be making something profitable. The cost of making the parts becomes the cost of making the parts plus the cost of whatever else you aren't making.
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> Then there is the production run. How many of these things is Campy making for all of us, a few thousand?? Maybe a 4 hour shift?? If you calculate in the cost of set up and tear down, what do these brake hoods cost?? Now add in the cost impact of new tooling and what ever production you bumped aside to run this little machine. Those ebay prices start to look pretty good.
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> I won't go into the distribution end of it, getting these hoods from Campy to your local bike shop so that they can sell 6 of them. But people leak money at every exchange here.
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> If we want these hoods, it is not going to come from Campy. It will have to be some small handlebar grip maker in Taiwan that is willing to pop for a mold and spit out a mini run of parts. You didn't hear this from me, but if you want to get it done, you are going to have to underwrite a knock off. Campy wouldn't like it, but for a few thousand bucks you could have a mold made and start cranking out replicas.
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> Bryant Bainbridge
> Portland, Orygun