Re: [CR]Re: Masi headbadge

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:32:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joe Starck" <josephbstarck@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Masi headbadge
To: Joe Starck <josephbstarck@yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20041206165726.52212.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


--- Joe Starck wrote:


> --- alan <worthy2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >Anybody,
> > >On this '64 Masi:
> >
>www.bates-lee.com/masi/rs62masi/rsachsmasispecial03.jpg
> > >And again here:
> >
> >www.classicrendezvous.com/Italy/Masi/Masi_main.html
> > >What is everything? The red stuff? The white
> stuff?
> > >The blue(turquoise) stuff? And is that a sword or
> > >dagger hidden behind the white stuff? What's it
> all
> > >supposed to SAY?
> > >Joe Starck,
> > >masidon,wi
> > >
> > >----------------------------------------------
> > Well, I'll take a guess at it based on nothing
> more
> > than my very limited
> > knowledge of Heraldry:
> > This is a coat of arms, often mistakenly referred
> to
> > as a crest, though
> > it's so highly stylized it may not bear any
> > resemblance to the original,
> > if there ever was one. The blue shield bears an
> > elaborate red
> > fleur-de-lis, this as I recall the symbol of
> > Florence, not Milan.
> > (Milans being the "Cross of St. George", red on a
> > white field). The
> > white elements symbolize flowing fabric, think
> silk
> > scarves or
> > pennants/flags, that sort of thing...the "dagger"
> > may be a dagger, may
> > just be a diamond or "lozenge",
>

If it's supposed to be simply a diamond or lozenge, my understanding of the lozenge as a heraldic device is that it's not usually empty, more heraldic stuff goes in the lozenge. Obviously, no room for discernable stuff here. HOWEVER, on the Masi decal it's a separate blue diamond shape, BUT, on the stainless badge the shape of a sword handle is more evident as only two sides of the diamond remain and then this raised-stainless surface extends down, handle-like, behind the fabric and the shield. There's a bit of it between the white flowing fabric and the blue shield. And then there's what would sure seem to be the sword's cross-guard, raised bare stainless also. Done. joe starck, masidon,wi
>
> I don't know. The
> > family name MASI
> > should appear below the shield in a banner if at
> > all, not within the
> > shield. The whole thing is so redrawn I suspect
> it's
> > got nothing to do
> > with any real Masi family coat of arms, but who
> > know...I'm sure that one
> > of you do! Just for point of reference, compare
> this
> > to the Cinelli coat
> > of arms on his headbadge, or to the Alfa-Romeo
> badge
> > which contains the
> > red cross of Milan on one half of the shield.
> > Alan Goldsworthy
> > San Francisco, CA
> > (my coat of arms available by special request,
> only
> > :c)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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