[CR]Any frame sleuths around? Trying to ID some things

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To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
From: "Ben Kamenjas" <bici_pimp@mac.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:24:10 +1100
Subject: [CR]Any frame sleuths around? Trying to ID some things

Hey Cool Cats,

I posted a little while ago about a fork with a stamping of a "c" within a diamond in the sloping crown.

Duane Kennard wrote:
> Ron Cooper? See:
>
> http://www.veloworks.com/roncooper/coopergallery/pages/diamondc.html

& John Thompson wrote:
> If it looks like this: http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/cinelli.jpg
> it might be a Cinelli, but there were many copies from other
> companies, notably Everest in Taiwan.
>
> If you cut the blades off and look inside the sockets, a Cinelli crown
> will have the name CINELLI cast inside the socket. :-)

I dunno about cutting the fork but am more interested to know about the stamping. Similar to Cooper but from the pics on Veloworks I see different crowns used and different stamping. Early version? or something else?

http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/cfork.jpg

Curio # 2 is a frame I have asked everyone local here about and nobody has any firm clues to whose it may be. Most think it came from the UK ...... Nervex Pro Lugs, 65 S 47 stamped on the BB and fork steerer, roller guides for derailleur cable routing on the BB shell, pencil stays and a seat stay caps that are svelte. I don't think paint is original. Only other braze-ons apart from the roller guides is brake cable stops/guides on the top tube (2), lower right side and the cable stop on the right rear chainstay. Also, a very, very slight bulge on the headtube right underneath the top lug - how would that happen when all else is straight, fork steerer is without mar, and it sits below where the headset cup stops? No cracks, no dimples, no dents anywhere else. Or am I seeing things? Nice frame and I'm curious to find out what it may be. At first I thought it was a Raleigh International but it differs from any I have seen. English threading, graceful fork curve, campy dropouts, 43.5 cm stays (to centre of rear drop out), 27mm seat tube diameter, very light ..... what say ye?

http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng1.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng2.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng3.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng4.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng5.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng6.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng7.jpg

And lastly, I asked here about a twin plate crown I saw on a local made bike as I thought it looked brutish but pretty cool. Didn't ring a bell with anyone so now I got a pic. The fresh thick paint is coming off soon :) and it's from a track frame with Nervex lugs. Is this a common casting or a known crown or made in-house style?

http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/twinplate.jpg

Any input is appreciated.

thanks

ciao,

Ben Kamenjas
Sydney, Australia