Re: [CR]Any frame sleuths around? Trying to ID some things

(Example: Component Manufacturers:Cinelli)

In-Reply-To: <BDE05F6A.65E9%stevens@veloworks.com>
References:
From: "Ben Kamenjas" <bici_pimp@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Any frame sleuths around? Trying to ID some things
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:51:53 +1100
To: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


Hi Steven,

I wrote (snipped)
>> Similar to Cooper but from the pics on Veloworks I see
>> different crowns used and different stamping. Early version? or
>> something else?
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/cfork.jpg


> StevenS asked:
> Could I see a picture of the seatcluster treatment of the frame with
> the
> diamond-c engraved in the fork?

In due time yes but the frame and fork are unrelated, orphaned and needed each other to stay up for pics. The frame is a Healing from Oz in the raw. Late 50's, early 60's. Track ends and no braze-ons. I will be offering it to the list with plenty pics in the next few days.

Till then ..... a tease

http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/healing6.jpg

Ciao,

Ben Kamenjas Sydney, Australia

p.s.

still looking for input ...
> Curio # 2 is a frame I have asked everyone local here about and nobody
> has any firm clues to whose it may be. Most think it came from the UK
> ...... Nervex Pro Lugs, 65 S 47 stamped on the BB and fork steerer,
> roller guides for derailleur cable routing on the BB shell, pencil
> stays and a seat stay caps that are svelte. I don't think paint is
> original. Only other braze-ons apart from the roller guides is brake
> cable stops/guides on the top tube (2), lower right side and the cable
> stop on the right rear chainstay. Also, a very, very slight bulge on
> the headtube right underneath the top lug - how would that happen when
> all else is straight, fork steerer is without mar, and it sits below
> where the headset cup stops? No cracks, no dimples, no dents anywhere
> else. Or am I seeing things? Nice frame and I'm curious to find out
> what it may be. At first I thought it was a Raleigh International but
> it differs from any I have seen. English threading, graceful fork
> curve, campy dropouts, 43.5 cm stays (to centre of rear drop out),
> 27mm seat tube diameter, very light ..... what say ye?
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng1.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng2.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng3.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng4.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng5.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng6.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/eng7.jpg
>
>
>
> And lastly, I asked here about a twin plate crown I saw on a local
> made bike as I thought it looked brutish but pretty cool. Didn't ring
> a bell with anyone so now I got a pic. The fresh thick paint is coming
> off soon :) and it's from a track frame with Nervex lugs. Is this a
> common casting or a known crown or made in-house style?
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/bici_pimp/.Pictures/speedwell/twinplate.jpg