[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 24, Issue 82

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From: "Stephen Cannavale" <scan@nac.net>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:26:11 -0800
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> 1. Campagnolo parts on German ebay
> 2. SR bike frame information (Nathan L. Tyson)
> 3. Re: Witcomb Cycles (richardsachs@juno.com)
> 4. Re: Yo! (Pete Geurds)
> 5. Re: Yo! (Matteo Brandi)
> 6. RE: Zeus graphics NOW stickers. (Bingham, Wayne R.)
> 7. Re: Zeus graphics NOW stickers. (John Thompson)
> 8. Re: Re: eChipping bikes (John Thompson)
> 9. Re: Scammers are out there. Be carefull !! -- stolen bike
> question (John Thompson)
> 10. The patron Saint has appeared (brianbaylis@juno.com)
> 11. NOW scanning misc. stickers.
> 12. Re: nos GIOS f/f on ebay (John Thompson)
> 13. HURET Huge Shifter Parts/Hardware Lot NOS Item number: 7121030362
> (charles nighbor)
> 14. Re: The patron Saint has appeared (Michael D. Schmidt)
> 15. CLASSIC RALEIGH PROFESSIONAL ROAD BIKE CAMPAGNOLO NR
> (charles nighbor)
> 16. Grandis 57cm Track Bike Pista Bicycle Item number: 7121430268
> (charles nighbor)
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> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:22:35 +0000
> From: themaaslands@comcast.net
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org (Classic Rendezvous)
> Subject: [CR]Campagnolo parts on German ebay
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> http://tinyurl.com/69pca
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> or
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> http://search.ebay.de/_Radsport_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR7QQsacategoryZ9192QQsa ssZtorte74QQsatitleZQQsofindtypeZ15QQsorecordsperpageZ50QQsorecordsperpageZ5 0QQsosortorderZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1QQsotrtypeZ1QQsotrvalueZ1
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> A former shop owner in Germany has posted a large number of components for sale on German ebay at buy it now prices, including:
>
> Campagnolo C-record rear hubs, athena derailleur, gran sport front derailleur, Chorus seatpost, Record chainrings, headsets and headset parts, track and road axles, BB axles, pedal spindles, Edco BB, a number of NOS frames... plus plus plus.
>
> The seller is willing to ship to the US and accepts Paypal.
>
>
> --
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:38:57 -0500
> From: "Nathan L. Tyson" <ntyson@andrew.cmu.edu>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]SR bike frame information
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> Hello Fellows,
> There seems to be some serious ebay/biketheft paranoia on this
> maillist...Well, I assure you that I am not one of those scammers, I am
> just a poor grad student who has an interest (and some investment) in this
> sport. I am currently 'restoring' a 1977 vintage steel 'spaceframe design'
> SR, for my girlfriend, as a Valentine's Day surprise (I plan ahead!). It
> measures 19 and a half inches (top of seat tube to middle of bottom
> bracket). She currently walks a half hour every morning to school, which
> converts to a leisurely 7 minutes on a bike, and so this sweet little SR
> will be just the ticket for her. For those interested, I will be painting
> it Krylon Pearlescent Pink, over grey automotive primer, and I will put a
> clearcoat over the pink. It should look pretty sweet with black and silver
> components (original I think), new fenders (a must for a commuter bike),
> and some elbow grease. I got a black leather SanMarco saddle and am
> contemplating new tires...the old ones might be original (EEK!). Advice,
> suggestions, info on brand or model...ALL OF THESE ARE WELCOME! See the
> frame in its currently stripped version at
> <http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/78e0bfec/bc/Pictures/Frame1.jpg?bfyudvBB9TYhT89 8>
> Happy Holidays to all,
> Cheers,
> Nate
> PS - Suggest Chet Baker, Roy Brown, Oscar Peterson, Harry Connick Jr. for
> romantic holiday listening...always works for me!
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:02:08 GMT
> From: "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
> To: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> Cc: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: gpcarter@btinternet.com
> Subject: Re: [CR]Witcomb Cycles
> Message-ID: <20041213.230518.15108.225630@webmail28.nyc.untd.com>
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>
> snipped:
> "Richard or ? can correct me if I am
> wrong on the above but I bet they agree..."
>
>
>
> i agree.
> attaboy.
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/13/2004 1:16:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> << Would Richie or Peter Weigle care to comment as to whether it would be
> possible, given detailed photos, to tell which of them, if either, built a CT
> Witcomb frame? Or would it have been a case of both, plus perhaps Chris Chance,
> each doing part of the work on a single frame? >>
>
> I would be REALLY surprised if any of these gents would lay claim to having
> been the primary builder of any of these bikes...
>
> First, almost never does one guy do all the work on a frame in mini factory
> workshops.. One person might do forks, another might prep the frames, set up
> jigs or whatever, another might braze the main triangle, another do
> finish-filing & cleaning up prior to paint, etc., etc. So one person may not want to say
> he "made" a particular frame and potentially be blamed for one of the other
> guy' possible slackness!
>
> Secondly, that was 30 + years ago and all these guys have majorly refined and
> improved thier skills and procedures, so those old bikes might be somewhat
> "crude" when viewed today. Who wants to recieve credit for a craft piece they
> did "in Junior High School?" Even if they did do the majority of the work on a
> particular frame, they might wince when they looked at the execution, either
> aesthetically or structurally.
>
> Richard or ? can correct me if I am wrong on the above but I bet they agree...
> Cheers
> Dale
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina
> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:01:56 -0500
> From: "Pete Geurds" <raleighpro@dejazzd.com>
> To: "Matteo Brandi" <bees.bfg@tin.it>,
> "cr list" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Yo!
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> From: "Matteo Brandi" <bees.bfg@tin.it>
> To: "cr list" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:08 PM
> Subject: [CR]Yo!
> > Posted some pix on on:
> > http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Brandi
>
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/album56/DSCF0042
>
> Is this really Coppi?
> What's up with the handlebars?
> Part-timing as a messenger?
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, Pa
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:27:37 +0100
> From: Matteo Brandi <bees.bfg@tin.it>
> To: Pete Geurds <raleighpro@dejazzd.com>,
> cr list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Yo!
> Message-ID: <BDE49AC9.36FA%bees.bfg@tin.it>
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>
> >
> > Is this really Coppi?
> > What's up with the handlebars?
> > Part-timing as a messenger?
> >
> > Pete Geurds
> > Douglassville, Pa
>
> ".......kid was way avant-garde....."
>
>
> MAtteo Brandi Firenze Italy
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:43:30 -0500
> From: "Bingham, Wayne R." <WBINGHAM@imf.org>
> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Zeus graphics NOW stickers.
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> I have the same sticker in a much larger size, probably double or more.
> I don't recall the registration being off terribly on mine, but I'm not
> really sure. It's part of a fairly large collection of bicycle-related
> stickers, ranging from tiny Huret, Regina, Campy etc.; to a old-logo
> Trek Authorized Dealer 12" square (thought you'd like that one, John);
> to an Eddy Merckx (old block-style type face) one that's probably four
> feet long. One of my pet projects (that I can never seem to get around
> to) is to scan all my old stickers (except that Merckx one I suppose).
> Unfortunately, my entire sticker collection is still packed away since
> my move in August. I hope to unearth all my bike-shop stuff during the
> holidays, and I'll then have access to the stickers again.
>
> BTW, if anyone has any bike-related stickers (particularly, but not
> necessarily, vintage) and wants to sell or trade them, let me know. I'm
> very interested.
>
> Wayne Bingham
> Lovettsville=20
>
> >>>>
> avitzur@013.net wrote:
>
> > If anyone out there has high quality Zeus logo art, please let me
> know.
>
> I just bought this on eBay: http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/Zeuslogo.gif
>
> It's a good size (~15cm x 10cm) sticker, so I've scanned it into my=20
> computer and am in the process of cleaning it up. I'll make it available
>
> when I'm done. Or you can grab the full-size scan yourself (~1.2MB) here
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/Zeuslogo.jpg and work on it yourself. The=20
> colors aren't quite lined up from the original printing, so I'm working=20
> on fixing that. :-)
>
> --=20
> John (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:51:58 -0600
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Zeus graphics NOW stickers.
> Message-ID: <41BF0C1E.2030806@new.rr.com>
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> Bingham, Wayne R. wrote:
>
> > I have the same sticker in a much larger size, probably double or more.
> > I don't recall the registration being off terribly on mine, but I'm not
> > really sure. It's part of a fairly large collection of bicycle-related
> > stickers, ranging from tiny Huret, Regina, Campy etc.; to a old-logo
> > Trek Authorized Dealer 12" square (thought you'd like that one, John);
> > to an Eddy Merckx (old block-style type face) one that's probably four
> > feet long. One of my pet projects (that I can never seem to get around
> > to) is to scan all my old stickers (except that Merckx one I suppose).
> > Unfortunately, my entire sticker collection is still packed away since
> > my move in August. I hope to unearth all my bike-shop stuff during the
> > holidays, and I'll then have access to the stickers again.
> >
> > BTW, if anyone has any bike-related stickers (particularly, but not
> > necessarily, vintage) and wants to sell or trade them, let me know. I'm
> > very interested.
>
> I have a fair number of such stickers -- manufacturer ones like Huret,
> StrongLight, Gipiemme, Dia-Compe, SunTour Superbe, Dura-Ace, Cinelli;
> tubing decals (Reynolds 501/531/753, Columbus, Vitus, Tange, Ishiwata,
> promotional ons like "Breaking Away with Campagnolo" and "Exclusive
> Official Supplier of Cycling Components to the 1984 Olympics - Los
> Angeles," etc. Some I'd be willing to trade for, others not. I've been
> scanning some of these in a cleaning them up as well. I just finished
> some Columbus ones so I can make my own transfers if I repaint a frame.
> Here's a Columbus bumper sticker from the early 80s:
>
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/columbus-bumper.jpg
>
> And here's some of the others:
>
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/stickers.jpg
>
> I didn't do any of the foil-backed ones, like Ishiwata or the later
> Tange, nor the old-style Reynolds and StrongLight ones with the paper cover.
>
>
> --
>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:12:29 -0600
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: eChipping bikes
> Message-ID: <41BF10ED.6080300@new.rr.com>
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> worthy2@earthlink.net wrote:
> > snip:
> >
> >
> > I think someone ought to design, manufacture, and sell some sort of
> > tracking system. One could epoxy a tiny water-proof "chip" way down
> > in the seat tube. Then, the owner could have a "link" to the chip
> > and look on the internet to see exactly where his/her bike is
> > sitting/moving at any given time on a computer enhanced map.
> >
> > Ted, that solution is soooo "Palo Alto"... but it would certainly
> > work. They Lo-Jack cars as well as eChipping pets...and soon:
> > Children! Yes, it's coming, the brave new world of constant
> > surveillance, just worry who is doing the surveilling. I have
> > occasionally seen bikes with cards inserted into tubes to help ID
> > them when they turn up at the police warehouse, but I guess the cops
> > don't give priority to opening up bike frames to search for such.
> > Funny, but they must have other things to do. I suppose any serious
> > thief/fence with a real collectors bike would just pop out the chip
> > and throw it into a passing garbage truck.
>
> Why wait? Here's something to get you started:
>
> http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/viewprod.cfm?ID=3353
>
> It's designed for laptops, but maybe it could be used on a bike -- stuff
> it up the down tube where it isn't obvious or something...
>
> --
>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:15:39 -0600
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Scammers are out there. Be carefull !! -- stolen bike
> question
> Message-ID: <41BF11AB.4040303@new.rr.com>
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> Pete Imandt wrote:
>
> > Why would a scammer ask if a listed bike is your personal property, and
> > seemingly want to avoid a questionable transaction? Perhaps it's an attempt
> > to boost their credibility and gain your confidence.
>
> If they plan on using or selling the item themselves, I'm sure they'd
> rather not have it discovered to be stolen property.
>
>
> --
>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:18:50 GMT
> From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, framebuilders@phred.org
> Subject: [CR]The patron Saint has appeared
> Message-ID: <20041214.081900.6045.268086@webmail04.lax.untd.com>
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>
>
> Dearest friends,
>
> Within minutes of my post yesterday, and even before I arrived at the shop to field phone calls, a patron of the arts stepped up to the plate and made a no strings attached offer to sponcer my trip in the amount I asked for. This is a private party and a CR listmember, one who has also in the past made huge efforts to support and assist dedicated framebuilders and bring a greater appreciation and understanding of the art and craft of handmade bicycle frames. I'm not positive at this time wheather this person wants to be mentioned by name in public, but the minimum I can say is thank you from the bottom of my heart. If he is not opposed to being thanked openly I will do so, this person is an actual patron of the art of handmade framebuilding that everyone would recognize. Everyone in the vintage and handmade bike community owes this gentleman a debt of gratitude, as do I. Hopefully we can record this demonstration for historical purposes, so that some of the techniques of the craft, the ones nearly extinct now and due to be extinct before too long, are preserved for future generations of bicycle collectors and builders.
>
> In addition I recieved numerous phone calls and emails from CR members offering assistance in either cash, offers of lodging at their homes in Houston, or carpooling to the event. I can not thank these people enough for thinking of me and careing enough about me and the handmade bike craft to make these generous offers. You guys are the BEST!!
>
> Sorry it took so long to make the announcement, but I had to thanks LOTS of people for their kind offers. So, we're all set. We're going to have a great time. Like I've mentioned previously, I promise an entertaing and informative demonstration and a line up of what I think are cool frames build old school. My purpose is to educate those who aren't sure what that means so that it can be recognized and understood by those who care about such things.
>
> Everyone have a Happy Hiloday season! My heart has been warmed by everyone; I hope I can do the same fro all of you.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:23:50 EST
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: john@os2.dhs.org, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]NOW scanning misc. stickers.
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> In a message dated 12/14/2004 10:54:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> JohnThompson@new.rr.com writes:
>
> << I didn't do any of the foil-backed ones, like Ishiwata or the later
> Tange, nor the old-style Reynolds and StrongLight ones with the paper cover.
> >>
>
> Tough to scan reflective silvery or gold foil decals// Comes out weird!
> Anyone know how to do this?
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:25:03 -0600
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]nos GIOS f/f on ebay
> Message-ID: <41BF13DF.1080807@new.rr.com>
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>
> chasds@mindspring.com wrote:
> > Check this out:
> >
> > http://ebay.com/<blah> e=STRK:MEWA:IT
> >
> >
> > This was a three-way shoot-out between a Japanese collector, and two
> > bidders from Taiwan.
> >
> > It'll be interesting to see what sorts of things these recent Taiwan
> > collectors decide to shoot for.
> >
> > The final bid-price seems rather high to me, for a frame only, even
> > NOS. But it was nice, I will say that. And if new deep-pockets
> > start to shoot up ebay, who knows where prices will go?
>
> Just my size, too. But already out of my price range. :-(
>
> --
>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:36:47 -0800
> From: "charles nighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]HURET Huge Shifter Parts/Hardware Lot NOS Item number: 7121030362
>
> Message-ID: <000801c4e1fb$1b5ee020$71bffea9@CharlesNighbor>
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> HURET Huge Shifter Parts/Hardware Lot NOS Item number: 7121030362=20
>
> For the frech bicycle collectors
> charles nighbor
> walnut creek, ca
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:55:04 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Schmidt" <mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
> To: brianbaylis@juno.com
> Cc: framebuilders@phred.org
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]The patron Saint has appeared
> Message-ID: <20041214165504.39BEF4D4B4@mail.patmedia.net>
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> Safe journeys Brian and knock em dead in Houston.
>
> Mike " I ain't the saint" Schmidt
> New York, NY
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> =3D=3D> From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> =3D=3D> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:18:50 GMT
>
>
>
> Dearest friends,
>
> Within minutes of my post yesterday, and even before I arrived at the=20
> shop to field phone calls, a patron of the arts stepped up to the=20
> plate and made a no strings attached offer to sponcer my trip in the=20
> amount I asked for. This is a private party and a CR listmember, one=20
> who has also in the past made huge efforts to support and assist=20
> dedicated framebuilders and bring a greater appreciation and=20
> understanding of the art and craft of handmade bicycle frames. I'm=20
> not positive at this time wheather this person wants to be mentioned=20
> by name in public, but the minimum I can say is thank you from the=20
> bottom of my heart. If he is not opposed to being thanked openly I=20
> will do so, this person is an actual patron of the art of handmade=20
> framebuilding that everyone would recognize. Everyone in the vintage=20
> and handmade bike community owes this gentleman a debt of gratitude,=20
> as do I. Hopefully we can record this demonstration for historical=20
> purposes, so that some of the techniques of the craft, the ones=20
> nearly extinct now and due to be extinct before too long, are=20
> preserved for future generations of bicycle collectors and builders.
>
> In addition I recieved numerous phone calls and emails from CR=20
> members offering assistance in either cash, offers of lodging at=20
> their homes in Houston, or carpooling to the event. I can not thank=20
> these people enough for thinking of me and careing enough about me=20
> and the handmade bike craft to make these generous offers. You guys=20
> are the BEST!!
>
> Sorry it took so long to make the announcement, but I had to thanks=20
> LOTS of people for their kind offers. So, we're all set. We're going=20
> to have a great time. Like I've mentioned previously, I promise an=20
> entertaing and informative demonstration and a line up of what I=20
> think are cool frames build old school. My purpose is to educate=20
> those who aren't sure what that means so that it can be recognized=20
> and understood by those who care about such things.
>
> Everyone have a Happy Hiloday season! My heart has been warmed by=20
> everyone; I hope I can do the same fro all of you.
>
> Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA
>
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:03:38 -0800
> From: "charles nighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]CLASSIC RALEIGH PROFESSIONAL ROAD BIKE CAMPAGNOLO NR
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> CLASSIC RALEIGH PROFESSIONAL ROAD BIKE CAMPAGNOLO NR
> Excellent Condition All Original 70's Serial # A4720 Item number: =
> 7121153018 =20
> =20
> You are signed in Email to a friend | Watch this item in My eBay =20
> =20
> =20
>
>
> Price looks a bit high for condition.
> Not the seller
> charles Nighbor
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:15:57 -0800
> From: "charles nighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Grandis 57cm Track Bike Pista Bicycle Item number: 7121430268
> Message-ID: <002b01c4e208$f5534f70$71bffea9@CharlesNighbor>
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> A fun one. I was in verona, Italy were these were made and shop is =
> open to visitors, however ran out of time to visit. Darn it.
> Grandis 57cm Track Bike Pista Bicycle Item number: 7121430268=20
>
> Not the seller
> charles Nighbor
> still in Walnut Creek, CA
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