Speaking of Peanut Butter Wrenches, Park used to sell these in 14, 15, and 16 mm, but they now seem to sell the single one only in 14 mm. They also seem to have discontinued a combo 14/15/16, although they may still make a 14/15 ratcheting one. I think Sheldon had the 15 mm for a while, but I don't find it listed now. Anyone one know who sells the 15 mm Park PBW and what it costs? Also, there was a Campy tool that clamped a Campy 5 mm allen wrench into a Campy PBW to give the added leverage of the PBW when removing C-Record cranks. Is there any reason this tool wouldn't work as well with a Park PBW as with a Campy?
Regards,
Jerry Moos Houston, TX
"richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote:
snipped: " so there are inevitable variations in the product that we might not tolerate from current-production parts in some cases."
the same could be said for many list era bicycles too.
e-RICHIE
chester, ct
All of the ones that I have are the earlier version, apparently. I believe them to be approx. 30 years old. I'm not even familiar with the "diamond-pattern" type. I guess I should stop giving these away to customers with their NOS Pista Hub and Bottom Bracket orders perhaps? I do have one (newer, I highly suspect) PBW that has a slightly different shape at the head (more meat, less "coining" of the top side of the hex). The logo'ed area is deeper on that one, and the font is larger, and different. The background is just plain - no "stippling" or "diamond pattern." It's actually less readable without the stippling, though (but cheaper to make and maintain the die insert for, I'd wager). At the risk of minor blasphemy here, Campagnolo Quality was to large extent obtained the old-fashioned, high-cost way back then: by a combination of strict specifications, and lots of inspecting and sorting. "Everyone" pretty much did it that way thirty years ago (with one major notable exception, but I digress). The level of "quality" of any given batch often depended on which Inspectors were involved, what day of the week it was, the phase of the moon, how far behind one was in meeting the day's Production quota, etc. I love the old NR/SR stuff, and it remains as some of the all-around best lightweight bike parts ever made, but we have to consider the era in which it was manufactured. For its time, it was top-shelf stuff, no question, but it was mass-produced in a 1950s-1970s environment, so there are inevitable variations in the product that we might not tolerate from current-production parts in some cases. When I buy large quantities of NOS NR/SR parts or tools, there is usually some "shrinkage," i.e. stuff that I can't sell. I've found pumpheads without threads in them (missed a step in the Manufacturing process), threads that don't work for whatever reason (undersized or oversized, mostly), plus other functional or significant cosmetic Manufacturing flaws. These things can't be sold as NOS (or at all in some cases) in my opinion. It's just part of the cost of doing business..... Greg "NR/SR Inspector Clouseau" Parker Dexter, Michigan
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Rafael Rednor To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]re: Campagnolo Peanut Butter Wrench
Finally, reason prevails and a sane explanation to the situation is proposed. Thank you, Roy and Chuck. Now everyone with the newer "diamond pattern" wrenches can go back to charging 24, 25 or 30 dollars for them - and the rest of us can go about searching our tool boxes for the older version of the tool.
What I wonder is whether the quality has changed over the
period of time this wrench has been in production? For
example, eons ago, I purchased one of those little Campagnolo
6mm/8mm "T wrenches". Frankly, the quality was poor and it
required some touching up with a grindstone to actually be
useable. Newer ones seem to come machined to the proper
tolerances right from the factory. What's the story with the
15mm crank bolt/axle nut/peanut butter wrench?
Best regards,
Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> "Roy H. Drinkwater" wrote:
> >
> > OK, I was waiting for this one; I have two C.P.B.
> wrenches.
> > I noticed that one has a diamond pattern in the recessed
> area, while
> > the other has a random pattern of dots. Which one is the
> older, and
> > is it more valuable than the other?
> >
> > Roy "have the Park and the TA too" Drinkwater
> > Lititz, PA
>
>
> The random pattern of dots is earlier. The pebbling was done
> by hand in
> the surface of the die for making the wrench.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California