bb i look forward to your text. just to keep things concise, my basic point is that, past a certain amount of time, the only thing you can add to a frame is going to be the "show" stuff and not the stuff under the skin. you and i both would agree that u.s. builders agonize over the sequences, methodology, and joining techniques. this subject has nothing to do with the client, since a builder would spend as much time on a frame whether it was sold or not - at least i would hope so - so this is not a "custom vs made-to-measure" issue. i hope i didn't misunderstand these threads; now that i read your quote, "... few are getting the perspective that I believe is most accurate for ME and MY situation.", i must say that i thought your weekend posts were general in nature and you were making sweeping statements about "framebuilding" rather than offering up a first person account. e-RICHIE chester, ct
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:23:39 GMT brianbaylis@juno.com writes: Richie,
I've been trying to follow this thread and keep pace with the developments, but have been really busy trying to keep stuff moving here. I have to take acception to parts of your explaination about where the "extra" time goes. I understand your perspective, but in some places I heartily disagree with your approach to the questions. Sticking strictly to framebuilding, and leaving out pianos, watches, and all else for the answers to the questions asked, will be the easiest to understand. I will cite examples of a few points relevent to doing woodwork, for example; but the questions require exact answers that pertain directly to the questions about framebuilding. I believe the distinction between "made to measure" and "Custom" frames is quite clear regarding framebuilding. No need to redefine any terms or create new ones. The explaination goes FAR FAR beyond lugs and how they are finished, just like you say. Therefore, a complete explaination of what the differences are will require discussion of ALL of it. A daunting task. But neccessary apparently, because the "obvious" differences that I see are not what most people are aware of. I shall fix that.
As much discussion as the economics of framebuilding has been discussed, few are getting the perspective that I believe is most accurate for ME and MY situation. I am unique, my business is unique, and my thinking, beliefs, and approach are unique. I shall explain the economic part of my point of view also; but it has NOTHING to do with supply and demand, my prices, nor relling of my frames to someone else in line. Like Charles said, that is all irrelevent here.
So let me get some real work done. Let me take my time, since it is now the same question and explaination I must give to the same question on both lists. The answer is exactly the same for both.
Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA Nose to the grindstone. OUCH, that hurts! Maybe I should try my tongue instead.