those wacky old guys... e-RICHIE chester, ct
Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> writes:
Finally I have wised up to what Richie is talking about.
Chater Lea dropouts with the plug in fittings are shown (and for sale!)
on
John Barrons website.
http://www.velostuf.com/
> snipped:
> "To me, plug in on the Nagasawa means a cast dropout (forkend)
> with a cast in socket for the tube. A shortcut, but a nice shortcut."
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> jbz
> in the framebuilding trade, both "plug-in" dropouts and "cast w socket
> OR spiggot" dtopouts are thought of as labor saving types. why? because
> they eliminate a step or two involving slotting the stays and finessing
> the confluence between them. the frames i worked on had a male/female
> thingy going on between the dropouts and the frame.
> i'm merely pointing out that these go to the "old days"; they're not
new.
>
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
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> Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> writes:
> I don't understand this about plug in dropouts on Pop Brennan and
> Drysdale
> track frames. To me, plug in on the Nagasawa means a cast dropout
> (forkend)
> with a cast in socket for the tube. A shortcut, but a nice shortcut.
>
> All the examples Brennan and Drysdales I have seen and own have simple
> plate
> dropouts, cut from good quality steel. Ritchie- do you say plug in
> because
> the tube ends are left open? They are, there is no filler to close the
> tube
> ends.
>
> The Brennans were famous for using Brown and Sharpe tool steel for the
> plates. It is rather hard to cut as you would imagine. Jeff Groman has
> the
> templates they used to cut the dropouts.
>
> By the way he also has the other Brennan tools and special tooling,
like
> the
> blocks for bending the bars as liked by the various riders..
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>
> To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Nagasawa track bikes
>
>
> >
> > just for the %#(&^ ] of it i'll add:
> > i've done a few repairs in my time and have been pleasantly
> > surprised at the construction quality i've seen in the 20s/30s,
> > etecetereterera frames built by the drysdales and pop brennans
> > of the world. these were true track frames built for the original
> > six-day era.
> > many/most of these had plug-in dropouts.
> > proper-issimo.
> > e-RICHIE
> > chester, ct