Don: Sorry misunderstood you specs. Perhaps read too quickly. Great reference material which I am saving. Thanks.
I ride short frames and it seems that with short frames, all bets are off regarding standard or typical build. (Even head lugs can look different as the lugs are nipped and re-shaped to accommodate badges. If the nipping is well finished, cannot tell by observation that lug has been nipped.) I've compared my Internat no loop with Compet has loop Internat approx 20 c-c. Comp approx 21 c-c Internat - distance from brake bridge to seat bolt too short to accommodate loop. Maybe 2 - 21/2 cm's shorter than Comp. Loop is approx 5cm width dia, 5cm across Internat c-c of seat stays is well into taper of stays as they blend into seat lug. 5 cm is almost at seat binder bolt.
With the short frame, the dimensions don't allow for the loop. It looks to have been manufactured that way.
Mr Donald W Gillies <donald_gillies@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was meaning to imply "if xyz then pdq", e.g. raleigh stopped using zeus dropouts in 1973, so if you have zeus, it's a 1972 or newer. if you don't have zeus, nothing can be inferred.
i think your bike is missing a centerpull hanger that should have been there, do we know for sure if it was "misproduced" at the workshop factory or repainted at some point and the hanger removed??? We do not, but i've seen about 10x 1971 internationals on ebay and they all had the hanger. By the way, there was a 1971 international storm last summer and about 5 of them sold in 4 weeks.
I have a 1973 competition with the capella lugs. I cannot speak about 1972 competition and earlier because although i've seen them live in a shop, it's been 30 years and i don't remember how they looked - much of my information comes from studying catalogues (which can be wrong, of course).
As for the nervex bottom bracket shell, _factory_ spacer (whoops, typo), i have a 1967 raleigh competition (zeus dropouts, zeus crank & BB spindle), and it has the factory spacer, and someone else quoted to me information about a precisely indentical bike with the spacer from the factory (which normally you'd think was cheesy over-facing of the BB shell, in this case i suppose the nervex shells were too narrow for zeus BB's.)
- Don
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