Re: [CR]E-bay Pog, is it the real deal? real scmheal, real BS!!

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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:09:21 -0400
From: "Grant McLean" <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca>
Subject: Re: [CR]E-bay Pog, is it the real deal? real scmheal, real BS!!
To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
cc: "'Bikerdaver@aol.com'" <Bikerdaver@aol.com>

Hi Dave,

With all love and respect, i couldn't disagree with you more.

Every brand goes through it's ebbs and flows of good times and bad. Master builders stray from their principles, economic situations call for different strategies, golden times don't last forever. Sometimes people do dumb things when designing or manufacturing their products.

The world is full of crap product, and wonderful pieces that capture their time and place. As any "fan" of a brand, or "collector" will tell you,

it's all about seperating the good from the not so good (or downright bad).

Use whatever set of values you personally hold in high regard to form an opinion, but I don't see how you can say that it's all "BS" because you draw a line somewhere.

Grant McLean Toronto.Ca

In a message dated 6/4/2004 6:15:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, OROBOYZ@aol.com writes: built by Rossin (?) that are not "worthy". _______________________________ MMEison- Please don't take this personally, and I am 100% sure that you have pure

intentions, plus its not my desire to offend, but I find comments like the above total fodder for gas bag B.S.ers. Who is one to say one bike vs another bike is not worthy? From your posting, I presume it is not you. But then why do you repeat it? Again, I am 100% sure you have good intentions, but you further propagate or enhance a bogus manner of judging bikes. From what I have seen on this list, absolutely NO one has ever come forward and claimed that they know 100% for certain that of every Pog they see, they are 100% capable of telling whether it was made by "the master himself", one of his many assistants, Rossin, Basso, DeRosa, etc., etc. Sure there are differnces between each of these bikes, each paint color, each lug used, etc. There are 365 days in a year, but which day is "unworthy", which is not "real"? Even if it was not made by "the master himself", go tell all the pro racers that their Basso, Rossin, or DeRosa is not worthy or "real" as they are first across the finish line. Not worthy, not real, yeah right! Maybe this list is full of shamed Pro racers who have ridden "non-worthy" Pogs to loss after repeated loss in the TdF, Coors Classic, Vuelta, etc. Let

them come forward and testify to their bike's "unworthiness". Do put words in their mouth, let them tell us first hand. I can tell you what is "unworthy", Bogus opinions based on pure speculation, and the poor souls that buy into that flatulence!!

Dave--we are all "unworthy" in the eyes of Quasimoto--Anderson Cut Bank MT