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> 1. colnago SUPER price (r garni)
> 2. Re: colnago SUPER price (jerrymoos)
> 3. Wtd. TA 5 pin crank arm--ugly is good. (dave martinez)
> 4. RE: colnago SUPER price (Matthew Gorski)
> 5. Kashimax saddle Wanted (reilley1@netzero.net)
> 6. Re: colnago SUPER price (jack b)
> 7. Re: colnago SUPER price (roman stankus)
> 8. WTB Gruppo appropriate to an "81 or '89 MAsi GC...Super Record
> or Mavic preferred, but... (Tom Sanders)
> 9. Re: colnago SUPER price (Richard M Sachs)
> 10. Re: colnago SUPER price (jerrymoos)
> 11. What do they ride? (Robert Kaufmann)
> 12. Re: What do they ride? OFF TOPIC
> 13. My $00.02 worth, re. Colnago price. (Jose Fonseca)
> 14. Schwinn (Jack Gabus)
> 15. Schwinn OFF TOPIC
> 16. Friends and Family (Bingham, Wayne R.)
> 17. Fausto Coppi and Gino Bartali Tour de France Bikes 1949
> (Daniel Artley)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: r garni <crispyflotilla@yahoo.com>
>To: Dicwrijr@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>Message-ID: <20040601035046.34949.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com>
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>Dear Everyone,
>
>I don't know if this model has been tracked by any of
>our multitude (I have been paying too little attention
>to the list of late) but, oh my, can anyone explain
>the level of pricing achievement for this colnago? I
>had become very comfortable watching similar bikes
>hang around eight or nine hundred dollars -- I guess,
>what can we expect? Afer all, it is called "super."
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>
>ricky
>carrboro
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 23:58:53 -0500
>From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>To: "r garni" <crispyflotilla@yahoo.com>, <Dicwrijr@aol.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>Message-ID: <05b501c44795$23496bd0$efddfea9@mooshome>
>References: <20040601035046.34949.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com>
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>I would say the buyer has taken leave of his senses. Colnago Supers are
>plentiful and cheap. Maybe there is something special about this particular
>one, but it isn't apparent to me.
>
>REgards,
>
>Jerry Moos
>Houston, TX
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "r garni" <crispyflotilla@yahoo.com>
>To: <Dicwrijr@aol.com>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:50 PM
>Subject: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>
>
>
>
>>Dear Everyone,
>>
>>I don't know if this model has been tracked by any of
>>our multitude (I have been paying too little attention
>>to the list of late) but, oh my, can anyone explain
>>the level of pricing achievement for this colnago? I
>>had become very comfortable watching similar bikes
>>hang around eight or nine hundred dollars -- I guess,
>>what can we expect? Afer all, it is called "super."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>K%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
>
>>ricky
>>carrboro
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>__________________________________
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>>Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger.
>>http://messenger.yahoo.com/
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
>From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com>
>To: CR List <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Wtd. TA 5 pin crank arm--ugly is good.
>Message-ID: <20040601052547.83128.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com>
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>Hello All,
>
>I need a TA 5 pin crankarm. I just an arm with good crank tapers, so it can be in poor condition otherwise. Cheap is also good.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave Martinez
>Fremont Ca
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:34:46 -0700
>From: "Matthew Gorski" <bikenut@verizon.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: RE: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>Message-ID: <000001c4479a$270a7930$e2143c04@MattMain>
>In-Reply-To: <05b501c44795$23496bd0$efddfea9@mooshome>
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>Early 1970's Colnagos ARE NOT 'plentiful and cheap'!! Original/early
>70's
>model's have been climbing in price almost as fast as early CA Masi's
>and Italian GC's. The last 4 or 5 early models like this that I have
>seen on
>Ebay have jumped 250% in price over the last 2 or 3 years. If you do
>some careful watching & a little research, the 'something specials'
>become very apparent.
>
>Matt Gorski
>Belmont Shore, CA
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>[mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of jerrymoos
>Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:59 PM
>To: r garni; Dicwrijr@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>
>I would say the buyer has taken leave of his senses. Colnago Supers are
>plentiful and cheap. Maybe there is something special about this
>particular
>one, but it isn't apparent to me.
>
>REgards,
>
>Jerry Moos
>Houston, TX
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "r garni" <crispyflotilla@yahoo.com>
>To: <Dicwrijr@aol.com>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:50 PM
>Subject: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>
>
>
>
>>Dear Everyone,
>>
>>I don't know if this model has been tracked by any of
>>our multitude (I have been paying too little attention
>>to the list of late) but, oh my, can anyone explain
>>the level of pricing achievement for this colnago? I
>>had become very comfortable watching similar bikes
>>hang around eight or nine hundred dollars -- I guess,
>>what can we expect? Afer all, it is called "super."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>=STR
>K%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
>
>>ricky
>>carrboro
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>__________________________________
>>Do you Yahoo!?
>>Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger.
>>http://messenger.yahoo.com/
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:46:28 GMT
>From: "reilley1@netzero.net" <reilley1@netzero.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Kashimax saddle Wanted
>Message-ID: <20040531.234713.29627.168941@webmail22.lax.untd.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>Message: 5
>
>
>Anybody have a black Kashimax Non-aero (78-80sih) suede saddle for sale or trade. I need one for yet another project bike. Also (long shot) Reedy or similar type pedals.
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick Gaytan
>
>Too many projects in
>
>San Diego, CA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:27:50 -0700
>From: jack b <jack_bissell@mac.com>
>To: Matthew Gorski <bikenut@verizon.net>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>Message-ID: <30028E9C-B39D-11D8-A804-000393004AFC@mac.com>
>In-Reply-To: <000001c4479a$270a7930$e2143c04@MattMain>
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>
>In my experience w/ pre-SR Colnagos, almost all of them have been
>messed-with, repainted or crashed. As for finding an original and
>intact example I agree w/ Matt about their un-plentifulness and
>un-cheapness.
>
>Put me in the fool category but (after searching for 4 yrs) I paid 1.2k
>for a '73 Super - and she is among the best-riding bikes ever ..
>
>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/73super.jpg
>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/supe-02.jpg
>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/super-mono.jpg
>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/supe-04.jpg
>
>
>Jack "if Eddy Merckx is wrong I don't want to be right" Bissell
>Tucson, az
>
>
>
>On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 10:34 PM, Matthew Gorski wrote:
>
>
>
>>Early 1970's Colnagos ARE NOT 'plentiful and cheap'!! Original/early
>>70's
>>model's have been climbing in price almost as fast as early CA Masi's
>>and Italian GC's. The last 4 or 5 early models like this that I have
>>seen on
>>Ebay have jumped 250% in price over the last 2 or 3 years. If you do
>>some careful watching & a little research, the 'something specials'
>>become very apparent.
>>
>>Matt Gorski
>>Belmont Shore, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>>nfo/classicrendezvous
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:49:20 -0400
>From: "roman stankus" <rstankus@mindspring.com>
>To: "Matthew Gorski" <bikenut@verizon.net>,
> "jack b" <jack_bissell@mac.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>Message-ID: <013b01c447c6$18ce81a0$110110ac@1qcns01>
>References: <30028E9C-B39D-11D8-A804-000393004AFC@mac.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
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>Message: 7
>
>Jack,
>
>I love your bike. If it ever needs a new home - let me know! I once had
>one that was an identical twin of yours - met a violent end with a car.
>Like yours - rode like a dream. Hope I'm lucky enough to find one again
>some day.
>
>I think the seller was probably surprised at the selling price also as the
>original listing included a "buy it now" for $2000 that I didn't think it
>would fetch. I was interested in the bike and considered bidding on it but
>the desciption of the bike stated that the head tube chrome was pitted. It
>looked great in the photos but the seller was unwilling to provide any more
>info (photo or desciption) of the corrosion after several querries and I
>decided to not bid. It was a beautiful bike but it still seems like it
>went for a lot considering some unknown amount of damage to the chrome. All
>that's required is two people that really want it to drive up the price.
>
>Roman Stankus
>Atlanta, Ga.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jack b" <jack_bissell@mac.com>
>To: "Matthew Gorski" <bikenut@verizon.net>
>Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>
>
>
>
>>In my experience w/ pre-SR Colnagos, almost all of them have been
>>messed-with, repainted or crashed. As for finding an original and
>>intact example I agree w/ Matt about their un-plentifulness and
>>un-cheapness.
>>
>>Put me in the fool category but (after searching for 4 yrs) I paid 1.2k
>>for a '73 Super - and she is among the best-riding bikes ever ..
>>
>>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/73super.jpg
>>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/supe-02.jpg
>>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/super-mono.jpg
>>http://www.mookietwoh.com/super-web/supe-04.jpg
>>
>>
>>Jack "if Eddy Merckx is wrong I don't want to be right" Bissell
>>Tucson, az
>>
>>
>>
>>On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 10:34 PM, Matthew Gorski wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Early 1970's Colnagos ARE NOT 'plentiful and cheap'!! Original/early
>>>70's
>>>model's have been climbing in price almost as fast as early CA Masi's
>>>and Italian GC's. The last 4 or 5 early models like this that I have
>>>seen on
>>>Ebay have jumped 250% in price over the last 2 or 3 years. If you do
>>>some careful watching & a little research, the 'something specials'
>>>become very apparent.
>>>
>>>Matt Gorski
>>>Belmont Shore, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>nfo/classicrendezvous
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:15:48 -0400
>From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@comcast.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]WTB Gruppo appropriate to an "81 or '89 MAsi GC...Super Record
> or Mavic preferred, but...
>Message-ID: <000e01c447d2$2caebd50$aebe0b18@C1921978A>
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>Message: 8
>
>I am swapping components around a bit and would like to purchase a nice =
>Super Record or Mavic group. Top of the line Sun Tour might be ok, too. =
> Don't need wheels or hubs with these. Do need brakes, derailleurs, =
>shifters, chainset, etc. Bottom and headset brackets would be nice, =
>too.
>If I extend the project further I can swap out vintage parts from a =
>third, more modern KOF bike and use a C Record, Mavic SSC, early Chorus =
>or Record 8-9-10 speed group on one it, if you have an extra one of =
>these. In this latter case I would probably need hubs, too, as all my =
>extra ones are for freewheels, not cassettes.
>If you have something that you think might work for me, please contact =
>me off list and we'll discuss suitability and price.
>My apologies to those who were after the recent Masi '89 GC that I =
>scooped up. You just gotta move faster...
>Tom Sanders
>Lansing, Mi
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:09:16 -0400
>From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>To: crispyflotilla@yahoo.com
>Cc: Dicwrijr@aol.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>Message-ID: <20040601.090916.2932.15.richardsachs@juno.com>
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>this is one of the earliest gen colnagos imported
>into the usa. it reeks of the bicycling mag road test
>around lake merced - i think circa 1971...
>i almost ordered one from velosport after "that" article.
>i still have the letter from bob mapes explaining the sizes,
>colors, and options available.
>e-RICHIE®^(TM)©
>Richard M Sachs
>Chester, CT
>site: http://www.richardsachs.com
>pics: http://photos.yahoo.com/
>rants: http://richardsachs.blogspot.com/
>zany: http://tinyurl.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, 31 May 2004 20:50:46 -0700 (PDT) r garni
><crispyflotilla@yahoo.com> writes:
>Dear Everyone,
>
>I don't know if this model has been tracked by any of
>our multitude (I have been paying too little attention
>to the list of late) but, oh my, can anyone explain
>the level of pricing achievement for this colnago? I
>had become very comfortable watching similar bikes
>hang around eight or nine hundred dollars -- I guess,
>what can we expect? Afer all, it is called "super."
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
>
>ricky
>carrboro
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:45:42 -0500
>From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>To: "Matthew Gorski" <bikenut@verizon.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>Message-ID: <05c401c447de$bbf872b0$efddfea9@mooshome>
>References: <000001c4479a$270a7930$e2143c04@MattMain>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
>Well, I don't watch Colnagos closely, but there were certainly a lot of them
>around in the late 70's, at least where I lived. And the quality was less
>than great in some cases. It was reported Colnago was doing a lot of
>subcontracting. Maybe early 70's is different, but I'm not sure I could
>tell them apart based on eBay photos.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jerry Moos
>Houston, TX
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matthew Gorski" <bikenut@verizon.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:34 AM
>Subject: RE: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>
>
>
>
>>Early 1970's Colnagos ARE NOT 'plentiful and cheap'!! Original/early
>>70's
>>model's have been climbing in price almost as fast as early CA Masi's
>>and Italian GC's. The last 4 or 5 early models like this that I have
>>seen on
>>Ebay have jumped 250% in price over the last 2 or 3 years. If you do
>>some careful watching & a little research, the 'something specials'
>>become very apparent.
>>
>>Matt Gorski
>>Belmont Shore, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>>[mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of jerrymoos
>>Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:59 PM
>>To: r garni; Dicwrijr@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>Subject: Re: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>>
>>I would say the buyer has taken leave of his senses. Colnago Supers are
>>plentiful and cheap. Maybe there is something special about this
>>particular
>>one, but it isn't apparent to me.
>>
>>REgards,
>>
>>Jerry Moos
>>Houston, TX
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "r garni" <crispyflotilla@yahoo.com>
>>To: <Dicwrijr@aol.com>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:50 PM
>>Subject: [CR]colnago SUPER price
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Dear Everyone,
>>>
>>>I don't know if this model has been tracked by any of
>>>our multitude (I have been paying too little attention
>>>to the list of late) but, oh my, can anyone explain
>>>the level of pricing achievement for this colnago? I
>>>had become very comfortable watching similar bikes
>>>hang around eight or nine hundred dollars -- I guess,
>>>what can we expect? Afer all, it is called "super."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>=STR
>>K%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>>
>>
>>>ricky
>>>carrboro
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>__________________________________
>>>Do you Yahoo!?
>>>Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger.
>>>http://messenger.yahoo.com/
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:06:28 -0400
>From: Robert Kaufmann <kaufmann@crsa.bu.edu>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]What do they ride?
>Message-ID: <v04011700bce23d7f75bb@[128.197.83.55]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>MIME-Version: 1.0
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>Message: 11
>
>All:
>
>I remember the start of a thread abut what Kerry and Bush ride. Here is a
>URL for an article in Monday's New York Times (hopefully not too partisan a
>paper) on this subject.
>
>Enjoy,
>
>Robert Kaufmann
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/31/politics/campaign/31letter.html
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:15:10 EDT
>From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
>To: kaufmann@crsa.bu.edu, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]What do they ride? OFF TOPIC
>Message-ID: <1cc.2259bc00.2dedf77e@aol.com>
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>
>In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:04:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>kaufmann@crsa.bu.edu writes:
>
><< I remember the start of a thread abut what Kerry and Bush
>ride.........snip.........
> Robert Kaufmann >>
>
>Dale Brown
>List owner
>Greensboro, NC
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 8:41:5 -0700
>From: "Jose Fonseca" <locortjody@earthlink.net>
>To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]My $00.02 worth, re. Colnago price.
>Message-ID: <41200462115415620@earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>Message: 13
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>In my opinion.....given the assumed early vintage of the bike, and most of all it's originality, the price seems a full one, but not a crazy one. My rule of thumb in the similar markets of old cars, motorcycles and musical instruments,(markets with which I have familiarity and made a lot of money) production made items tend to appreciate to, and level off at, a point somewhere about 1/2 that of a new item that occupies a similar market niche as the item in question did when it was new. This 1/2 price rule can be either offset or enhanced by production numbers, originality, and the elusive wild cards: "desirability" and provenance. So in other words...Just like in cars, m'cylces, old guitars, and everything else...If a bike is "desirable" has reasonably low numbers, in a size that appeals to enough potential buyers, in a good color, and is original, it should pull some dough at auction.
>
>
>
>If the buyer feels the size is right, and likes the color, then he/she should be happy. I hope this one gets to be a rider and not a hanger.
>
>
>
>Yeah..nobody asked me..but that's what I think.
>
>
>
>Philosophizing in Whiskey Hill, CA
>
>
>
>Jody Fonseca
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:02:46 -0700
>From: "Jack Gabus" <jack@shermangabus.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Schwinn
>Message-ID: <MHELKCFNLJJCPOHKBLKAEELCDOAA.jack@shermangabus.com>
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>Need some help folks. I have a friend (I know it is hard to believe) who
>has recently come into ownership of an all original 1952 Schwinn black
>Phantom in great shape. He would like to what its approximate worth is.
>Yeah i know this is off topic an not a lightweight cycle but the poor sole
>needs a little help.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jack (still recovering from the Laker Victory) Gabus
>Laguna Beach, CA
>jack@shermangabus.com
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>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:29:19 EDT
>From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
>To: jack@shermangabus.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Schwinn OFF TOPIC
>Message-ID: <1ca.2267c135.2dee16ef@aol.com>
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>In a message dated 6/1/2004 1:03:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>jack@shermangabus.com writes:
>
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> Need some help folks. I have a friend (I know it is hard to believe) who
> has recently come into ownership of an all original 1952 Schwinn black
> Phantom in great shape. He would like to what its approximate worth is.
> Yeah i know this is off topic an not a lightweight cycle but the poor sole
> needs a little help. >>
>
>Jack:
>
>"Yeah buts" don't cut it. Please no off topic posts, period.
>
>Just a little effort will yield stuff like this on the net:
> <A HREF="http://www.tiac.net/users/cabe/">The Classic & Antique Bicycle
>Exchange</A>
> <A HREF="http://www.oldroads.com/">Old Roads.com</A>
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/maple_island_sales/">Maple Island Sales,
> </A><A HREF="http://retrobikes.com/">Retrobikes</A>
>
>Dale Brown
>List owner
>Greensboro, North Carolina
><A HREF="http://www.classicrendezvous.com./main.htm">ClassicRendezvous.com</A>
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>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:32:58 -0400
>From: "Bingham, Wayne R." <WBINGHAM@imf.org>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Friends and Family
>Message-ID: <D24CD8D2A42DBE408E31D99568D7AAFFD8E3D3@MLSSWN02P.WAS.INT.IMF.ORG>
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>I apologize for the blanket note to the list, but it's easier this way,
>and I'm confident my CR friends will understand. I owe responses to
>several, and shipment of parts to at least a couple or you. These will
>come soon, as I hope get back to something resembling normal within the
>next couple of weeks or so.
>
>Last Thursday evening, my son was hit by a car while riding his bike
>home from work. My son is grown, lives on his own, and hopefully will
>again soon. He got out of the hospital late Sunday, and will be staying
>with me for a while until he's able to manage on his own at his house.
>He has a fractured vertebrae and a fractured ankle, as well as lots of
>scrapes, cuts and bruises. As bad as it sounds, it's actually quite
>amazing that he faired as well as he did, all things considered. It
>could have been much, much worse. His evasive maneuvers, what little he
>had time for, probably saved his life. In stead of being in front of
>the Mercedes that turned into him, he shaved off just enough speed, and
>steered right just enough, to strike the leading edge of the right front
>fender, rather than having the car hit him full-on. He sort-of folded
>into the car, bounced off and hit the ground. The bike slid under the
>car and under the rear wheels. My son missed the same fate by mere
>inches. The first eight hours at the hospital were very traumatic. No
>one was sure if he would even walk again. Things are much brighter now,
>and he's expected to make a full recovery, although a slow one.
>I'm afraid the poor Bridgestone XO-1 he was riding is history. There's
>not a tube on it that isn't bent, cracked or broken. If we are lucky,
>we'll salvage the front hub and one bar-con shifter, but not much else.
>I don't think I've ever seen a lugged steel frame sustain so much damage
>from an accident.
>Needless to say, life has not been normal for the past few days, nor
>will it be for a while. There will many medical and legal issues to
>deal with. And, of course, I'll have to build my son another bike, so
>it's there when he's ready. My family is extremely grateful that my
>son's injuries were not worse, and that his prognosis for a full
>recovery is good. Just having imagined the other possibilities was
>frightening.
>Please be careful out there. Ride defensively, because there is someone
>out there just waiting to get you.
>Thanks -
>Wayne Bingham - Falls Church VA
>
>=20
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>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:06:27 -0400
>From: "Daniel Artley" <dartley@co.ba.md.us>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Fausto Coppi and Gino Bartali Tour de France Bikes 1949
>Message-ID: <s0bc8d75.008@inet_gw.noc.co.ba.md.us>
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>I hope this is on topic. The Portraits of the Tour de France calendar
>for June shows Coppi and Bartali alone on a mountain with two very
>different bikes. Coppi's got a derailleur equipped bike that may be the
>original Campy Grand Sport and Bartali's got the Marguerita? (forgot the
>name) shifting system. I know from Aldo's postings of the 1949 Giro di
>Talia, that Bartali won the Giro that year. Can someone tell me the
>outcome of the Tour for that year? If this is off topic, please e-mail
>me off list.
>
>Relating to riding style from the past, neither seems to have much seat
>post showing, but Coppi is much more stretched out on his machine than
>Bartali, who's kind of scrunched up by today's standards.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan Artley
>Parkton, Maryland
>
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