Greetings All
As my bike renovation proceeds I have at last reached the stage of having it painted. Assembly is not far away and the one thing I am missing is green cloth handlebar tape suitable for this 1946 Road Racing Machine. Any inspired ideas or leads out there? Thanks Alistair Johnston White Rock, BC
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Today's Topics:
1. Ebay Plug. Early Peugeot Hubs & Rims 3683210319 2. Viking Cycles 3. Ebay Condor, was: [CR]Swallows and Condors 4. Re: Viking Cycles (jerrymoos) 5. Re: Viking Cycles 6. Re: Viking Cycles (jerrymoos) 7. Re: re: Moser bikes? 8. Was Viking Cycles now Harry Quinn 9. Re: MOSER bikes--Website 10. Re: re: Moser bikes? (Morgan Fletcher) 11. WTB-Saddle (David Feldman) 12. Pic of the Day 14th June Giovanni Corriere (Aldo Ross) 13. re: Moser bikes? (sandranian@yahoo.com) 14. Colnago Super bike and Cinelli frame on eBay (First Flight Bicycles)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:32:57 EDT From: REClassicBikes@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ebay Plug. Early Peugeot Hubs & Rims 3683210319 Message-ID: <11.2bcb29f5.2dfecac9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
Shameless plug, but if you are into to French Bicycles, these are worth looking at. I tried to do good photos, but I cannot do the wheels justice. The quality of engineering in the hubs is fantastic. I would love to have ridden the
bike that these came from.
Regards Martin Coopland, Scotland, http://www.BatesBicycles.com ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:32:47 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Viking Cycles Message-ID: <57B25BE7.7DB4887C.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2
http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/
David Allen sent me the above link to update the listing for Viking in the used bike buyers guide. The only thing I had in the guide was a note about Viking ending up in Londenerry Northern Ireland. This link provides "the rest of the story". Good pics too. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:04:16 -0400 From: unreceived_dogma@mindspring.com To: Norris Lockley <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Ebay Condor, was: [CR]Swallows and Condors Message-ID: <E1BZr7l-0002oY-00@smtp6.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3
The item mentioned below went to a "cochecton" (one of us?) for =A3525.
This 1962 frame would have been from the Hurlow era, judging from the info in this thread, but would it necessarily have been built by him? Who else might have been working in the shop at the time besides Conway and Monte Young? When exactly did Board come aboard :-), and where did he go when he left?
Michael Lebron NYC
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>From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Swallows and Condors
>Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 8:19 PM
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>Greg Brooks posed the question about the desirability of condor bikes - th=
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>I think it fair to say that present day Condors are not what they used to
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>lightweight frame for quality, lugwork and design. "Masters" such as Bill
>Hurlow worked for Condor, and more latterly Tom Board.
>early Condors are not the easiest thing to come by but there is one
>currently going through the UK Ebay on Collectables/ Transportation/
>Bicycles - Item 3681785286. Current best bid is =A3219 which hasn't reached
>the reserve with 1 day 18 hrs to run.
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>The bike is a 22" fitted out with some good quality correct accessories.
>The frame itself has been renovated recently and has chrome in all the
>right places. certainly worth a look.
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>Norris Lockley.. Settle.UK
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:42:47 -0500 From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: <LouDeeter@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Viking Cycles Message-ID: <003f01c45215$7ac331e0$efddfea9@mooshome> References: <57B25BE7.7DB4887C.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
They don't mention Harry Quinn. Did he get involved with Viking only after the sale and move to Londonderry? Yet some on the frames from the early/mid 60's show the almost straight fork blades often associated with Quinn.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Houston, TX
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http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/
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> David Allen sent me the above link to update the listing for Viking in the
used bike buyers guide. The only thing I had in the guide was a note about
Viking ending up in Londenerry Northern Ireland. This link provides "the
rest of the story". Good pics too. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:44:00 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Viking Cycles Message-ID: <417F9AFE.1C849C10.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
In a message dated 6/14/2004 9:42:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net writes:
> They don't mention Harry Quinn.
I don't have any information that Harry Quinn built for Viking. I show that Harry Quinn lived in Liverpool, quite a distance from Wolverhampton. I also show that Harry Quinn Cycles started in the early 1900s, but I don't have any better information on whether or not there were other "Harry Quinn" builders. I believe the move to Londonerry came about 1967, so any early 60s Viking would not have been connected to the Londonerry production period. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:13:54 -0500 From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: <LouDeeter@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Viking Cycles Message-ID: <005201c45219$d3d9e8b0$efddfea9@mooshome> References: <417F9AFE.1C849C10.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
I went back and checked - under Viking on the CR web site is a Viking brochure from the 70's after the move to Londonderry stating that the bikes are designed by Harry Quinn. The photos of the bikes look very much like Harry Quinn models from the same era.
The brochure also has some slightly deceptive language in stating the bikes are "Hand Crafted in Great Britain", although made in Londonderry. I thought the official phrase was "The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland. Thus a bike made in Northern Ireland would be from the United Kingdom, but NOT from Great Britain. Can the Brits on the list correct me on that point?
Regards,
Jerry Moos Houston, "Cattle and Oil Kingdom of Texas"
> In a message dated 6/14/2004 9:42:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net writes:
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> I don't have any information that Harry Quinn built for Viking. I show
that Harry Quinn lived in Liverpool, quite a distance from Wolverhampton. I
also show that Harry Quinn Cycles started in the early 1900s, but I don't
have any better information on whether or not there were other "Harry Quinn"
builders. I believe the move to Londonerry came about 1967, so any early
60s Viking would not have been connected to the Londonerry production
period. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:16:11 EDT From: OROBOYZ@aol.com To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]re: Moser bikes? Message-ID: <89.d65447d.2dff1b3b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
In a message dated 6/14/2004 1:21:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bikerdaver@aol.com writes:
<< Does that mean he didn't start having bikes made with his name on them until after 86??? >>
No he began well before retiring (Or at least there were bikes with his name on them in the early 80s...)
Dale Brown Greensboro, NC ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:20:28 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Was Viking Cycles now Harry Quinn Message-ID: <5B947F34.323A4B0E.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 8
Can someone tell me more about Harry Quinn. In the guide, I show
QUINN, Harry: 7/9 Walton Road, Liverpool, Merseyside L44PL England. Since 1901. Called Coronets until 1945.....
Jerry Moos points out that a 1970s Viking brochure says that the frames were designed by Harry Quinn. If Harry Quinn was an individual who started building in 1901, who was the Harry Quinn who designed the Viking--individual or company?
Lou Deeter, Orlando FL ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:30:36 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]MOSER bikes--Website Message-ID: <14E620A4.6446A7BE.0269AA25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 9
This site has a history with a banner (http://www.ciclimoser.com/azienda.html)that says La Cicli F.Moser was founded in 1979. The earliest model I've owned was the 51.151 model that commemorated Moser's hour record in 1984. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:19:40 -0700 From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]re: Moser bikes? Message-ID: <87acz6qfhf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <89.d65447d.2dff1b3b@aol.com> (OROBOYZ@aol.com's message of "Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:16:11 EDT") References: <89.d65447d.2dff1b3b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
OROBOYZ@aol.com writes:
> << Does that mean he didn't start having bikes made with his name on them
> until
> after 86??? >>
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> No he began well before retiring (Or at least there were bikes with his name
> on them in the early 80s...)
I recently bought a Moser w/ Nuovo Record on German ebay, purportedly ridden by Gregor Braun in the 1980 Giro D'Italia. Will snap a few pics and upload them when I get it built.
I know Moser was racing his own bikes during his racing career. See any of the older Graham Watson books.
Morgan Fletcher Oakland, CA ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:26:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David Feldman <feldmanbike@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB-Saddle Message-ID: <20040614162603.97742.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11
I am looking for a new or excellent-condition used Unicanitor #55--the plain plastic one with no cover; 3 hole or many holes. Will pay reasonable price. Thanks David Feldman Vancouver, WA
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:41:52 -0400 From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day 14th June Giovanni Corriere Message-ID: <004401c4522e$86271ce0$6cf9fea9@j4g1x1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12
Pic of the Day 14th June Giovanni Corriere, 1949 Tour de France =20
Large picture of Bartali's teammate, sprinter Giovanni Corriere, at the = 1949 Tour de France. Note the odd way he is wearing the spare around = his shoulders and neck. Also note the "Bartali" brakeset with gum hood = covers, Cervino rear shifter w/tension arm used with Simplex front = derailleur, short areas of chrome (less than 3 inches!) on the forks and = stays. Click on picture for larger view.
http://www.birfield.com/
Aldo Ross Blue Ball, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "sandranian@yahoo.com" <sandranian@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]re: Moser bikes? Message-ID: <20040614172214.1234.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <87acz6qfhf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13
In this month's Cyclesport, there is an article on Saronni which has a cool shot of Saronni and Moser racing in the late seventies (if I remember correctly).
Moser is riding a "Moser" badged bicycle.
Stephan Andranian Costa Mesa, CA
Stephan Andranian, Esq. Law Offices of Stephan H. Andranian 485 E. 17th Street Suite 390 Costa Mesa, California 92627 Ph: (949) 646-8892 Fax: (949) 722-8416 sandranian@yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:41:25 -0400 From: "First Flight Bicycles" <jeff@firstflightbikes.com> To: "classic list" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Colnago Super bike and Cinelli frame on eBay Message-ID: <00cf01c4523f$3c917740$5ed5e4ce@1flight> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: First Flight Bicycles <jeff@firstflightbikes.com> Message: 14
We listed a nice Colnago Super @
http://ebay.com/
and a Cinelli frame @
http://ebay.com/
If anyone has any questions or input, please let us know.
Thanks Jeff Archer First Flight Bicycles 216 S. Center St. Statesville, NC 28677 704.878.9683 jeff@firstflightbikes.com http://www.firstflightbikes.com Always looking for vintage mountain bikes/parts/literature
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