Just realized I forgot to CC the list. Ain't ya happy I noticed?
Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> wrote:It is not a question of hypersensitivity or self-importance. Someone was offened and it isn't our place to judge whether that is reasonable or not. Yes, the comments seemed fairly benign, though insipid, but if soemone was offeneded, what is the point of not aplogizing or in your chiming in that an apology is not required. What I'll suffer one-on-one, outside of public or quasi-public settings, is a totally different matter from what I should have to witness on-list. And while it is clear that you wax nostalgic for the good old days, I'll remind you that a LOT of people are glad those days are behind us. Furthermore, the old "I heard it from an Italian guy" line is totally lame. Hip-hop stars call eachother names that I would be assulted for repeating.
Tom tell-all-the-Irish-jokes-you-want... off list Dalton
Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote: All the Italian jokes I know I learned from the Italian kids I grew up with in Warren, OH. That was a time and place when none of us was so self-important or so hypersensitive that we couldn't take a joke or even joke about ourselves.
Regards,
Jerry Moos Houston, TX, but lived lots of other places, including PA
Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> wrote: Shucks, this is a hoot. Well, here's to Texas where they still cast Americans in the old-fashioned, down-home, God-fearing, no pretenses, good-ol'-boy mold. It must be great to live in a place where you can call a spade a Spade. Those high-brow East Coasters need to lighten up. There's nothing wrong with jokes that mock Italian accents or refer to gay men as fags... and one would certainly have to be infected with "Polotical Correctness" to take issue with my assertion that Texas is perhaps the most of vulgar of our United States.
Most of us, even my uptight, Yankee self, were not offened by Dave's adolescent humor, beyond the fact that it insults our intelligence and presumes a common mindset of insensitivity. But, if someone was offened enough to post a reaction, why not just say, "I'm sorry, I didn't intend to cause offense." To say that there is no "need" to apologize implies either that the offened person is unreasonable, which you went on to state explicitly, or that it is okay to cause offense intentionally. Dave makes a habit of mild on-list impropriety and the last thing the list needs is someone to encourge him publicly.
Tom Dalton
Bethlehem, PA
I don't think a bad joke requires an apology. The guys in NYC shoould realize that places like Cut Bank, MT and Houston, TX haven't yet been infected by the kind of Polotical Correctness that makes it a felony to tell a joke. Thank God.
Regards,
Jerry Moos Houston, TX
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