Re: [CR]Re: was Team Raleigh, now Provenance

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From: "Angel Garcia" <veronaman@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Re: was Team Raleigh, now Provenance
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:31:39 -0400


To Greg's point: I didn't pay much attention to the Armstrong Caloi as the measurements were different than his Merckx MXL that was reviewed in Road Bike Action in 1994. Of course, maybe he changed his preferred geometry.... Angel Garcia Long Valley, NJ
> >
> > << alledged provenance.... >>
> >
> To which Dale B. replied:
>
> > That reminds me ( maybe Brett Horton is the guy to answer this) but what
> > constitutes valid provenance? In the REALLY sophisticated world of collecting,
> > provenance must have a fairly structured status. In other words, "you telling me
> > that some guy told you that Bartali rode this bike in the 1942 Giro" obviously
> > don't cut it. But what constitutes valid provenance to someone like a big
> > auction house or a focussed collector?
> > Seems like almost nothing I have seen in the vintage bike world has much real
> > proof attached as to that item's confirmable history...
> >
> > Just a-wondering...................
> >
> > Dale Brown
> > Greensboro, NC
> It's a very valid question. With few exceptions (did y'all see Lance's "travel" Caloi (Merckx) frameset sell recently on eBay for $5000?), I tend to ignore alledged provenance of bikes (particularly on eBay). If it's an item being offered by a CR list member that I know and trust, that would be a whole different story. There's a whole lotta bologna out there in general, though....
> Brett? Your thoughts?
> Greg-issimo Parker
> Dexter, Michigan