Re: [CR]Re: Ebay recomendation?

(Example: Framebuilders:Brian Baylis)

From: "renaissance-cycles" <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
To: <BobHoveyGa@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <1ec.2a6f8e16.2e886ca5@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Ebay recomendation?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:01:20 -0700


Well!............................I can say he's a bad sport and dosen't walk a straight line! He worked for us very briefly, when supposedly still trying to work for us, he tried real hard to buy some goods from under our noses from a certain seller, the seller said no because he had an agremment with us that these certain items were being held over for us................He tried and tried offering more each time.........The seller still held his ground.......After this he was to come in and work for us. Us knowing this, not a chance. He tried this again well after he was given the boot by us.
>From what I understand he was mighty pissed because this seller, the same one from before said no again when he tried to buy some other items from under our noses again. The seller said he left in a HUFFY AND PUFFY MOOD!

I love it when he states that he's selling part of his ( MY! ) collection. What collection, he had no collection?.............What he had left was sitting on the window seal, mostly odds and ends, Campagnolo small parts and so on. We bought this from him so he could buy a MASI. Soon after he wanted to sell it to me, I was wondering why? He was so hyped up about getting this bicycles! I said OK!..Well!....Tthe bloody thing had a problem, the seat stays was seperating fron the seat lug!

When he was to be working for us for a wage, working for us was to involve working in the warehouse or doing research looking on leads for goods. This was his offer to us, not a given part of the job discription from ourselves Cecile and myself to him. Well things changed for the worse, now he wanted to split the finds, if there was anything to be found. So he thought he found a resource, well it was one that we have already dealt with! He was wondering how are we going to work this one out if he found goods with this guy. Hey! nothing to work out he's part of our pool of resources ''ALREADY!'' . Ha! Ha! I could see Cecile eyes rolling from behind her sun glasses! WOW!....Cecile wanted to 'WACK THIS GUY!'' During this meeting, he was still working for us...........We went out to lunch and paid for his lunch as well.............He had the balls to say, since we're talking about work! He should be earning his wage as well! TALK ABOUT SQUEEZING THE SPUD FOR BLOOD! You can't get any closer than this, this is at it's best!.......This is was it for us! We wanted to let this guy walk back to the warehouse...........Goes to show you how much class this guy has, when sitting down he grabbed aN umbrella which was providing shade to another group of people who were having their lunch................Cecile and myself looked at each with a high eyebrowS and eyes doing 360s............The other table that the umbrella was removed from ended up going indoors to finish off their lunch!............Warmth and charm from this guy!............Skin deep! On his first day with us one of our neighbors wanted to know if I could look at his bike. Right away he ( Frans ) says we don't work on bikes like that, normal bicycles! Cecile was quick to tell him that this is a Neighbor from across the ways. Now I come in and say I'll take a look at it.......And proceeded to take care of the very small problem! As like what should be done, neighbors helping out each other. Now Cecile and I we're wondering where in the hell is this guy coming from, this is his first day and he has no room for these actions!

Anyway, once he left for the day after the lunch time and umbrella thing...I asked Cecile, What do you think? She then replyed back, NO!.......WHAT DO YOU THINK!...........I gave her a Ha!...Ha! No way Johnny! We'll let him ride!...........It was Cecile that gave him the boot!

Being blown away from the volume of emails...I'd say he's blown away because he has learned that we are part of the CR list...He's got time to burn, no real job anymore just pushing bike parts on ebay. Emailing back and fourth is one thing.....................Catching the real deal is a whole different story.

This is why Cecile and Myself has decided to go it alone, so far we have ran accross 4 who has offered their help but only to be stung over and over again. Another went out and bought goods from one of our suppliers and tried to sell it to us for double of what we are used to paying for these very same items. He said you can double your money. I said why would I buy it from you when I'm paying the same price as yourself......He then said, what am I going to do with it? Hey! That's your problem, not mine.............I'm no sucker! Another did the very same thing with goods from another supplier! He tells the seller, I know he'll buy it! The seller tells us this with a follow visit..........................Not a chance, he's now sitting on it.....He tried to sell me 3 framesets for 400,00 Euros When I said no he quicky dropped the price to 130,00 Euros. Even though this price is the same that I would be paying......I still said no! This is to teach him a lesson....Goods are still in his posession.

TAKE ME FOR A SUCKER ONCE!...............BUT NEVER A 2ND TIME!

BC Baron C......................And the gang!!..............Flaming, I don't think so, just doing a little bit of weeding. Renaissance cycles, Eindhoven Holland


----- Original Message -----
From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: [CR]Re: Ebay recomendation



> Someone, I can't remember who, asked the list (during the recent thread on
> bad Ebay experiences overseas) if anyone had a GOOD seller to recommend... I do.
>
> He's a Dutch seller named Frans (Ebay name fietsenfrans)
>
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> rtpropertyZ1
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> I've exchanged quite a few emails with him during the course of several
> sales, and so has a close friend and fellow CR member. We were both impressed by
> his warmth and charm as well as his kind regard for vintage bike lovers (for
> example, a pair of NR brakes I bought arrived with an extra cable adjuster
> because I had asked if he had one he could sell me for another pair of brakes).
>
> Naturally, I tried to get him signed up to the CR list... he tried it but he
> was quickly blown out of his chair by the volume of Email. I suggested he try
> the digest, or to filter the list to a separate directory, I hope he does.
>
> Anyway, if you ever find yourself in a position to deal with this guy, I
> think you will enjoy the experience.

>

> Bob Hovey

> Columbus, GA