I noticed a possible ebay fraud.
Yesterday, a set of Campy Cobalto calipers sold for the princely sum of
$202.49
http://ebay.com/
Tucker Bunch Houston, TX
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: 69/70 white Raleigh Pro on eBay - (Douglas Morrell) 2. Re: Brooks teases us again 3. Re: 1971 Colnago Track Frame 4. Re: 1971 Colnago Track Frame (brianbaylis@juno.com) 5. Re: CYCLUS TOOLING 2nd time around. (renaissance-cycles) 6. Marcel and Giorgio Tinazzi 7. For sale: full shimano 600 super sport (marc garcia)
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:55:36 -0500 From: "Douglas Morrell" <dmorrell@nomise.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]69/70 white Raleigh Pro on eBay - Message-ID: <2630C508B4B8F84581EDA6688884AA2E310636@apollo.nomise.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1
Greg: The "F" serial number should put it in 1971. But I'm not sure I can put a lot of faith in other Raleigh "rules-of-thumb" to comment on your component mix, although retroraleighs.com shows the 1970 version with full Campy.
Doug Morrell St Louis MO
-----Original Message----- From: gpvb1@comcast.net [mailto:gpvb1@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 11:27 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re:[CR]69/70 white Raleigh Pro on ebay -
So when did the Pros switch from centerpull to sidepull brakes? And what year is my F1668 (brown/mink) Mk II Pro from? 1969? 1970? 1971? It has a Brampton seat cluster, chrome, and Campy sidepulls. Greg Parker Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:00:57 EDT From: OROBOYZ@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Brooks teases us again Message-ID: <20.338abb1c.2e770219@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
<A HREF="http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/tech/shows/?id=eurobike/par t3/eb04-brooks1">www.cyclingnews.com presents On Show 2004</A>
Dale Brown Greensboro, NC ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:53:14 EDT From: FujiFish1@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame Message-ID: <27.617e970a.2e771c6a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
No help on the subject form me, but I do have an add on question to those in the know. Could this Tinazzi be the Tinazzi that raced for Torpado in Italy in the late 1950s? I have a scanned PIC of him in a Torpado squad photo that I can email out. Thanks for the info.
Also, wasn't there some change in the "foot" of the Colnago club/flower,
where it went from flat bottomed to convex, or vice-versa?
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI ~ ~ ~
In a message dated 9/13/2004 9:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:59:08 +0100 From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame Message-ID: <000a01c4992c$f42d5980$01c18351@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1
I'm not sufficiently clued up early Colnagos to be able to comment on = this particular machine, and cannot remember unfortunately when Colnago started engraving his top-eyes etc Did he do it from the = first frame.. I doubt it.
However I've always hankered after an early "ernesto" from th 70s, a bit = like the one Saronni used to ride - just that red flam, chrome forks and = those white panelled decals. some weeks ago I spotted a "Velo de Course" = on French ebay.. going for very few euros indeed... and it was my size. = I followed the auction with interest, thinking whatevere the red and = chrome bike might be it just had to be a bargain...With only a little = time left i sent an email ti the seller asking what "marque" the bike = was. his rapid reply said "Colnago" I was quite overwhelmed..
knowing that I was about to leave for France within a couple of days I = decided to bid on the bike and, if succesfsful, have it sent from = Marseille to my caravan in Provence, about two hours away by wagon. I = won the auction and it was with a great and overwhelming sense of = anticipation that I opened the HUGE cardboard box..
At first glance I had obtained my objective.. a resplendent flam ruby = and chrome Colnago shone in the rays of the Provencal sun..but that = world-renowned type face did not spell out Colnago... but Tinazzi. = Tinazzi the former French pro has a tio shop just outside Marseill at = Aubagne,famous throughout thre world as the setting for Marcel Pagnols = poignant novels..
studying the frame I noticed the clover-leaf cut-out in the down = tube-head tube lug, couldn't find any engraving on either the fork crown = or top-eyes, but turning the bike upside down rejoiced at seeing the = large Colnago motif cut out of the bracket shell.
My joy was short-lived as I was certain that this frame was no Colnago = but a very subtle copy .. and well executed ...The "give-away" is that = the foot of the trefoil is not flat but slightly radiused downwards.. = not too much .. but sufficient not to breach Colnago's registered = design. Clearly the seller had been duped... Other cyclists on the caravan site thought it to be original... but I am = not too sure.. but it's a nice frame anyway.. The final word will rest = with M. Tinazzi... if he ever replies to my email.
Can anyone help out here.. could it actually be a genuine Ernesto..?
Norris Lockley...just reflectong on the thought that if you can't = convince them you should confuse them, as my old Prof. used to = say..Settle UK
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:02:01 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: FujiFish1@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame Message-ID: <20040913.090244.3306.794476@webmail11.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Mark,
What I can say about the shape of the Colnago Flower, is that it can take on almost any shape you can imagine and still be the club. Even on the same bike, I have clubs with flat bottom, pointed bottom, concave and convex bottom; all on the same bike and speaking of only the cutouts. Seems like most of the graphics have a flat bottom.
So those who are planning to attend the Velo Rendezvous comming up and have an affection for Colnago (that would include me!), I hope to have a special surprise to share. Book your trip now!
Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
No help on the subject form me, but I do have an add on question to those in the know. Could this Tinazzi be the Tinazzi that raced for Torpado in Italy in the late 1950s? I have a scanned PIC of him in a Torpado squad photo that I can email out. Thanks for the info.
Also, wasn't there some change in the "foot" of the Colnago club/flower,
where it went from flat bottomed to convex, or vice-versa?
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI ~ ~ ~
In a message dated 9/13/2004 9:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:59:08 +0100 From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame Message-ID: <000a01c4992c$f42d5980$01c18351@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1
I'm not sufficiently clued up early Colnagos to be able to comment on = this particular machine, and cannot remember unfortunately when Colnago started engraving his top-eyes etc Did he do it from the = first frame.. I doubt it.
However I've always hankered after an early "ernesto" from th 70s, a bit = like the one Saronni used to ride - just that red flam, chrome forks and = those white panelled decals. some weeks ago I spotted a "Velo de Course" = on French ebay.. going for very few euros indeed... and it was my size. = I followed the auction with interest, thinking whatevere the red and = chrome bike might be it just had to be a bargain...With only a little = time left i sent an email ti the seller asking what "marque" the bike = was. his rapid reply said "Colnago" I was quite overwhelmed..
knowing that I was about to leave for France within a couple of days I = decided to bid on the bike and, if succesfsful, have it sent from = Marseille to my caravan in Provence, about two hours away by wagon. I = won the auction and it was with a great and overwhelming sense of = anticipation that I opened the HUGE cardboard box..
At first glance I had obtained my objective.. a resplendent flam ruby = and chrome Colnago shone in the rays of the Provencal sun..but that = world-renowned type face did not spell out Colnago... but Tinazzi. = Tinazzi the former French pro has a tio shop just outside Marseill at = Aubagne,famous throughout thre world as the setting for Marcel Pagnols = poignant novels..
studying the frame I noticed the clover-leaf cut-out in the down = tube-head tube lug, couldn't find any engraving on either the fork crown = or top-eyes, but turning the bike upside down rejoiced at seeing the = large Colnago motif cut out of the bracket shell.
My joy was short-lived as I was certain that this frame was no Colnago = but a very subtle copy .. and well executed ...The "give-away" is that = the foot of the trefoil is not flat but slightly radiused downwards.. = not too much .. but sufficient not to breach Colnago's registered = design. Clearly the seller had been duped... Other cyclists on the caravan site thought it to be original... but I am = not too sure.. but it's a nice frame anyway.. The final word will rest = with M. Tinazzi... if he ever replies to my email.
Can anyone help out here.. could it actually be a genuine Ernesto..?
Norris Lockley...just reflectong on the thought that if you can't = convince them you should confuse them, as my old Prof. used to = say..Settle UK
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:53:06 +0200 From: renaissance-cycles <info@renaissance-cycles.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]CYCLUS TOOLING 2nd time around. Message-ID: <002601c499b2$248d3980$9600000a@user8750ybcqcn> References: <00fb01c46546$6bce3a10$0a00a8c0@ware> <001101c48a55$bdd96210$0a00a8c0@ware> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 5
Hi All!
Several list CRers has been asking about Cyclus tooling so decided to send it to the list one more time with a few updates.
DO NOTE: This offer is good until the end of the month 9 / 30 / 04.
Tooling offer is of tools that used for the repairs of bicycles that fits into the timeline of the CR LIST! If other CYCLUS tools are of interest then do let us know and I'll see what we can do. BTW: This is the time to acquier these types of tooling. Once in the U.S the cost will be jumping quite a bit over our the current prices on our site @ http://www.renaissance-cycles.com . It's fair to say we might be seeing a 25% increase of these tools once they are imported into the U.S.
Here' the list...................................All tools are in stock. (1) # 720001, Steer tube threading tool, 1" $ 55.- .......... Regular list $ 79.50
(2) # 720003, Fork crown race cutter 1" - 26.4 mm $ 50.- .............Regular list $ 74.50
( 2-A ) # 720048, fork crown race cutter 27.0 $ 50.- Regular list $ 74.50
(3) # 720005, Head tube reamer/ facing tool 1" $ 79.- ....................Regular list $ 119.50
( 3-A ) # 720025, 1'' reamer / facer cutter only $ 74.-
( 3-B ) # 720026, 1 1/8'' reamer / facer only $ 74.-
(4) # 720007, Bottom bracket facing tool with English and Italian threaded guides $ 79.-.......Regular list $ 119.50
(5) # 720008, Bottom bracket threading tool, English $ 55.- .....................Regular list $ 79.50
( 5-A ) # 720140 Bottom bracket ENGLISH threading tool. Pro set with 6 lines of cutters $ 89.- Regular list $ 125.-
(6) # 720029, Bottom bracket threading tool, Italian $ 55.-...................Regular list $ 79.50
( 6-A ) 72041, Bottom bracket ITALIAN threading tool. Pro set with 6 lines of cutters $ 89.- Regular list $ 125.-
(7) # 720009, Headset press $ 28.-.......................Regular list $ 54.-
8) # 720010, Gear hanger alignment tool $ 23.- ..............Regular list $ 34.50
(9) # 720011, Drop out Alignment tools (Pair!) $ 38.- .............Regular list $ 54.50
(10) # 720012, Fork Crown Race fitting tool $ 23.-....................Regular list $ 34.50
(11) # 720013, Fixed head cup removal tool $ 24.-....................Regular list $ 35.-
( 12 ) # 720097, 27.2 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
( 13 ) # 720096, 27.0 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
( 14 ) # 720095, 26.8 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
( 16 ) # 720094, 26.2 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
( 17 ) # 720061, seat tube reamer handle $ 32.-
( 18 ) # 720057, Axle vice $ 24.- Regular list $ 29.50.
( 19 ) # 720031, frame guage ( Steel handle ) NoWHIMPY alloy handle! $ 24.- Regular list $ 29.-.............Beware S/H will be some what on the high side.
If in need of pricing on another Cyclus tool item let me know and I'll see what I can do for you. Payment, Paypal is best but we'll take CC# as well! Let me know, till then you all have a great day.
BC Baron C...........And the gang!! Renaissance-Cycles Eindhoven, Holland
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:04 +0000 From: themaaslands@comcast.net To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org (Classic Rendezvous) Subject: [CR]Marcel and Giorgio Tinazzi Message-ID: <091320041703.18299.4145D2C70003D6D20000477B22007481849C0B020E049C0E0E03 0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6
Mark asked:
> No help on the subject form me, but I do have an add on question to
> those in
> the know. Could this Tinazzi be the Tinazzi that raced for Torpado in
Italy
> in the late 1950s? I have a scanned PIC of him in a Torpado squad
photo that I
> can email out. Thanks for the info.
The fellow that Norris wrote about is the French rider who was born in Algeria: Marcel Tinazzi. I saw him when he won the motor-paced Bordeaux-Paris race in 1982. He left quite an impression as he arrived in Paris after such a long race. He didn't even seem overly tired. Marcel raced as a pro from 1977-1986.
The fellow that Mark is asking about is Marcel's uncle the Italian rider who was born in Italy: Giorgio Tinazzi. Unfortunately, Giorgio passed away 5 days after his 46th birthday in 1982. He did indeed race for one season (1959) with Torpado. His best season was 1960 when he won both the Giro di Sicilia and the giro di Romandia. -- Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: marc garcia <marcgarcia80@ameritech.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]For sale: full shimano 600 super sport Message-ID: <20040913172358.10510.qmail@web80810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
I picked up a early to mid 80's schwinn super sport that I thought I would part out but it's just too nice to break up. It's a small frame around 48,49 cm. So it would be perfect a shorter person, maybe your wife or for a child. It's in great shape, very clean, it's an off white pearlescent finish. I wanted the complete shimano 600 groupo on it. Derailleurs and shifters are the arabesque kind, 600 cranks (170), 600 side pull brakes and levers with great supple black hoods, 600 sealed hubs laced to weinmann aero rims, it even has a 600 sealed headset as well as a beautiful pair of 600 pedals (aero design) with the hard to find toe clips. It's a selle italia saddle with a sr post, stem and bars are french, Belleri I believe is the brand. The stem is quite nice, silky smooth finish. The frame is free of decals, it does have the schwinn super sport headbadge. I don't think that this is a repaint because it looks like a finish I've seen on other schwinns fo the time. Maybe it was orginally bought as a frameset? I also believe that these were made with columbus tubing. It's a 12 speed btw.
I was about to tear it down when I decided to take it for a spin first. It's a great ride, I"ve been tempted to keep it and just get a longer seat post for it. I believe at the time it was made it was 2nd or 3rd in the schwinn lineup. It's definately a sport/race bike. No eyelets for fenders or racks, two sets of braze ons for water bottles and even came with a paramount water bottle holder.
I would like to see this go to someone who is going to ride it and
appreciate it and not someone who is going to part it out (I could do
that myself and use the parts). I'm asking what I paid for it, 200.00
plus shipping. Let me know if you have any questions.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/
marc garcia chicago IL
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