That's funny, I just searched the archives for HJ Lugs, Henry James Lugs, and Henry James. I found nothing regarding FACTUAL information pertaining to HJ Lugs (i.e. "The HJ headtube lug on my Masi was found to have been not fitted properly;" OR "the HJ lugs have a history of failing under severe loads." All I found were a bunch of "opinions" regarding aesthetics, why Masi switched to the undesirable HJ lug, etc.
"Opinions" have their place. But facts, including but not limited to: durability, reliability/longevity, factory test results, and most importantly--customer feedback--(none of which I found in the archives relating to HJ lugs) speak volumes over opinions.
Ted Baer Having M.R.I. brain scan today--(to see if it's still there,) Palo Alto, CA
Going back to bed now.
--- "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
wrote:
>
>
> right said fred.
> if you read the archives and/or follow this
> stuff, you'll know that the hj stuff came really
> late and, in that era, there were no eenie gc's
> marked or imported. i.e. my comment also inferred
> the country of origin.
> as chuck often says, "...it's in the archives."
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
>
>
> -- Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ted,
> I'm only guessing here but I suspect Richard's
> point is that
> because of the year in which it was built and the
> use of Henry
> James lugs, this bike - despite being a Masi - is
> not really
> anything special. That isn't to say it's not built
> well,
> because Joe Stark is an excellent frame builder (as
> were all
> the Masi builders, it seems).
> So other than the Masi decals, there's little of
> the magic
> to distinguish it from other high quality,
> hand-built frames.
> Does that sound about right?
> Cheers,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
>
> > which lugs?
> > nervex ref 32 or the MFI equivilant.
> > you wanted a build date or pertinent
> > info, iirc. the hj product dates the
> > masi you asked about.
> > e-RICHIE
> > chester, ct
> >
> >
> > -- "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Not too sure what Richard means by "ick" with
> regard
> > to the hj lugs and crown on this Masi. But he
> > certainly did not answer any of the questions in
> my
> > post..................
> >
> > If the the hj lugs and crown are "ickky" on a
> Masi,
> > which lugs and crown are not?
> >
> > I am asking questions because I know almost
> nothing
> > about Masi's--not because I want lame
> > comments.........
> >
> >
> > Ted Baer
> > Palo Alto, CA
> >
> >
> > --- "richardsachs@juno.com"
> <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > this is an 80s frame, i bet.
> > > hj lugs and crown on a masi. ick.
> > > just m.o.
> > > e-RICHIE
> > > chester, ct
> > >
> > >
> > > -- "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > > 7125268818
> > >
> > > Without a photo of the BB and without a serial
> > > number,
> > > anyone care to guess where this Masi came from?
>
> > > Italy or California?
> > >
> > > Should one be concerned with a small ding in/on
> a
> > > tube
> > > (as is described in the item description?)
> > >
> > > Lastly, were Super Record rear derailleurs
> optional
> > > on
> > > GC's? I thought all GC's used Nuovo Record as
> > > standard equipment.
> > >
> > > Ted Baer
> > > Palo Alto, CA
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