Ted,
Maybe we're all talking about different things here? No one
implied that the Henry James lugs were of low quality or that
the later Masi frames built with them were of iferior
construction in any way.
The point was simply that these frames lacked the "magic"
(some would say "mojo" - but I don't care to use the term, but
that's a different story) that the earlier frames have. I
think the idea is that, except for the decals, the Masi frames
with the HJ lugs are no different than hundreds of other nicely
built frames that also use those lugs - i.e. they don't have
whatever it is that made theearlier frames so special.
Regards,
Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> That's funny, I just searched the archives for HJ
> Lugs, Henry James Lugs, and Henry James. I found
> nothing regarding FACTUAL information pertaining to HJ
> Lugs (i.e. "The HJ headtube lug on my Masi was found
> to have been not fitted properly;" OR "the HJ lugs
> have a history of failing under severe loads." All I
> found were a bunch of "opinions" regarding aesthetics,
> why Masi switched to the undesirable HJ lug, etc.
>
> "Opinions" have their place. But facts, including but
> not limited to: durability, reliability/longevity,
> factory test results, and most importantly--customer
> feedback--(none of which I found in the archives
> relating to HJ lugs) speak volumes over opinions.
>
> Ted Baer
> Having M.R.I. brain scan today--(to see if it's still
> there,)
> Palo Alto, CA
>
> Going back to bed now.
>
>
> --- "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > right said fred.
> > if you read the archives and/or follow this
> > stuff, you'll know that the hj stuff came really
> > late and, in that era, there were no eenie gc's
> > marked or imported. i.e. my comment also inferred
> > the country of origin.
> > as chuck often says, "...it's in the archives."
> > e-RICHIE
> > chester, ct
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ted,
> > I'm only guessing here but I suspect Richard's
> > point is that
> > because of the year in which it was built and the
> > use of Henry
> > James lugs, this bike - despite being a Masi - is
> > not really
> > anything special. That isn't to say it's not built
> > well,
> > because Joe Stark is an excellent frame builder (as
> > were all
> > the Masi builders, it seems).
> > So other than the Masi decals, there's little of
> > the magic
> > to distinguish it from other high quality,
> > hand-built frames.
> > Does that sound about right?
> > Cheers,
> > Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> >
> > > which lugs?
> > > nervex ref 32 or the MFI equivilant.
> > > you wanted a build date or pertinent
> > > info, iirc. the hj product dates the
> > > masi you asked about.
> > > e-RICHIE
> > > chester, ct
> > >
> > >
> > > -- "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not too sure what Richard means by "ick" with
> > regard
> > > to the hj lugs and crown on this Masi. But he
> > > certainly did not answer any of the questions in
> > my
> > > post..................
> > >
> > > If the the hj lugs and crown are "ickky" on a
> > Masi,
> > > which lugs and crown are not?
> > >
> > > I am asking questions because I know almost
> > nothing
> > > about Masi's--not because I want lame
> > > comments.........
> > >
> > >
> > > Ted Baer
> > > Palo Alto, CA
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "richardsachs@juno.com"
> > <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > this is an 80s frame, i bet.
> > > > hj lugs and crown on a masi. ick.
> > > > just m.o.
> > > > e-RICHIE
> > > > chester, ct
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > 7125268818
> > > >
> > > > Without a photo of the BB and without a serial
> > > > number,
> > > > anyone care to guess where this Masi came from?
> >
> > > > Italy or California?
> > > >
> > > > Should one be concerned with a small ding in/on
> > a
> > > > tube
> > > > (as is described in the item description?)
> > > >
> > > > Lastly, were Super Record rear derailleurs
> > optional
> > > > on
> > > > GC's? I thought all GC's used Nuovo Record as
> > > > standard equipment.
> > > >
> > > > Ted Baer
> > > > Palo Alto, CA
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