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Today's Topics:
1. Re: masi GC on ebay (richardsachs@juno.com) 2. sew-up ride quality 3. RE: sew-up ride quality (George Argiris) 4. ISO: Tecalmit Oil Port Nipples Threaded 2BA (Eric in SF) 5. Re: sew-up ride quality (Chuck Schmidt) 6. RE: sew-up ride quality (George Argiris) 7. RE: Reflecting Retro Cool (Douglas Morrell) 8. Re: Now: What Hipness Is. Was: Retro Cool (Sheldon Brown) 9. Re: Coppi commemorated (Chuck Schmidt) 10. RE: Fender opinions (Tom Martin) 11. re: masi on ebay 12. Re: masi GC on ebay (Fred Rafael Rednor) 13. Re: Now: What Hipness Is. Was: Retro Cool (Peter Jon White)
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:28:42 GMT From: "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]masi GC on ebay Message-ID: <20050103.102917.28046.154982@webmail32.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
mfi - Microfusione Italiana. the original casting house that did ALL the masi parts, as well as, ultimately, all the parts for all the italians in the 70s era. iirc - "if i recall correctly" hj - Henry James e-RICHIE chester, ct
Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote: "richardsachs@juno.com"
wrote:
>
> which lugs?
> nervex ref 32 or the MFI equivilant.
> you wanted a build date or pertinent
> info, iirc. the hj product dates the
> masi you asked about.
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
Translations please for: MFI iirc hj
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:32:06 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: chasds@mindspring.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]sew-up ride quality Message-ID: <17063410.1104777126767.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chasds@mindspring.com Message: 2
Harvey wrote:
The naked truth is that I doubt thatthere is really much difference in ride between tubulars and very good wired-ons any more.
****
Harvey is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! So, by all means, send those used but clean Criterium Setas to me. I will be sure to dispose of them safely and mercifully.
Clement setas of all models gladly accepted. After all, there's no difference between them and modern clinchers. Why mess around with them, right? I'll be happy to accept them all.
Charles Andrews SoCal ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:37:20 -0800 From: "George Argiris" <George.Argiris@mitchell.com> To: <chasds@mindspring.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]sew-up ride quality Message-ID: <601E1B8E735FBF4FA07BB6DBCF8F480B0A163A@mail60nt.mitchell.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3
There is no rim/tire set up lighter or smoother then a good silk sew-up on a good tubular rim.
george argiris san diego,ca
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of chasds@mindspring.com Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:32 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]sew-up ride quality
Harvey wrote:
The naked truth is that I doubt thatthere is really much difference in ride between tubulars and very good wired-ons any more.
****
Harvey is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! So, by all means, send those used but clean Criterium Setas to me. I will be sure to dispose of them safely and mercifully.
Clement setas of all models gladly accepted. After all, there's no difference between them and modern clinchers. Why mess around with them, right? I'll be happy to accept them all.
Charles Andrews SoCal _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:42:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric in SF" <ericinsf@excite.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]ISO: Tecalmit Oil Port Nipples Threaded 2BA Message-ID: <20050103184223.EFF63109F27@xprdmailfe1.nwk.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: ericinsf@excite.com Message: 4
Hi Everyone,
Happy New Year to each of you! May 2005 bring much joy and happiness to all.
Here is a somewhat odd request: I am looking for several (6x pieces?) Tecalmit oil port nipples threaded 2BA for some vintage restoration projects now underway. These little buggers typically fitted bottom brackets and headsets of mid-century English bicycles.
Thanks in advance for any ideas...
Best regards, Eric Anschutz San Francisco, CA
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:48:53 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]sew-up ride quality Message-ID: <41D99392.3546DC80@earthlink.net> References: <17063410.1104777126767.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 5
chasds@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Harvey wrote:
>
> The naked truth is that I doubt thatthere is really much difference in
> ride between tubulars and very good wired-ons any more.
>
> ****
>
> Harvey is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! So, by all means,
> send those used but clean Criterium Setas to me.
> I will be sure to dispose of them safely and mercifully.
>
> Clement setas of all models gladly accepted. After all, there's no
> difference between them and modern clinchers. Why mess around with
> them, right? I'll be happy to accept them all.
>
> Charles Andrews
> SoCal
Yeah... what he said! I'll even accept the used but clean ones with the slow leaks!
You guys really don't want to mess (MESS!) with tubulars, tubs, sew-ups, slow-ups. Here... read Aldo Ross's stuff if you don't believe me.
Tubulars by A.Ross
Tubulars require glue A very messy thing to do And even when the wheels are gone The sticky spots will linger on
Tubasti by A.Ross
Tubasti on the sidewalls Tubasti on the spokes Tubasti on my workbench Sticking to the nuts and bolts
Tubasti on my fingers Tubasti on my arms Tubasti on my chin and cheeks I hope it wont cause harm
Tubasti on the light switch Tubasti on the cat Tubasti on my shoes and socks And on my cars floor mat
Tubasti on the carpet Tubasti in my hair I tried to glue just one damn tire Now Tubastis everywhere!
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:48:59 -0800 From: "George Argiris" <George.Argiris@mitchell.com> To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]sew-up ride quality Message-ID: <601E1B8E735FBF4FA07BB6DBCF8F480B0A163C@mail60nt.mitchell.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6
Brought tears to my eyes, Chuck, beautiful!
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Schmidt Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:49 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]sew-up ride quality
chasds@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Harvey wrote:
>
> The naked truth is that I doubt thatthere is really much difference in
> ride between tubulars and very good wired-ons any more.
>
> ****
>
> Harvey is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! So, by all means,
> send those used but clean Criterium Setas to me.
> I will be sure to dispose of them safely and mercifully.
>
> Clement setas of all models gladly accepted. After all, there's no
>difference between them and modern clinchers. Why mess around with
>them, right? I'll be happy to accept them all.
> Charles Andrews
> SoCal
Yeah... what he said! I'll even accept the used but clean ones with the slow leaks!
You guys really don't want to mess (MESS!) with tubulars, tubs, sew-ups, slow-ups. Here... read Aldo Ross's stuff if you don't believe me.
Tubulars by A.Ross
Tubulars require glue A very messy thing to do And even when the wheels are gone The sticky spots will linger on
Tubasti by A.Ross
Tubasti on the sidewalls Tubasti on the spokes Tubasti on my workbench Sticking to the nuts and bolts
Tubasti on my fingers Tubasti on my arms Tubasti on my chin and cheeks I hope it won't cause harm
Tubasti on the light switch Tubasti on the cat Tubasti on my shoes and socks And on my car's floor mat
Tubasti on the carpet Tubasti in my hair I tried to glue just one damn tire Now Tubasti's everywhere!
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:52:01 -0600 From: "Douglas Morrell" <dmorrell@nomise.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Reflecting Retro Cool Message-ID: <2630C508B4B8F84581EDA6688884AA2E34941F@apollo.nomise.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7
To paraphrase, "Cool is in the eye of the beholder".
I remember back in the early 70's when my mother would drive me to the starting spots of Onondaga Cycling Club rides. We'd pull up and she'd see all the "cool" guys in their tight, form-fitting riding shorts. To her, this was most definitely not cool! This was WEIRD. She'd say "I don't know why they have to dress like THAT", and "Why don't they have any hair on their legs?????". I think she had a fear that she was sending me off with a bunch of "alternative lifestyle" types. Needless to say, I remained in cut-offs, but I did get her to spring for a wool jersey. Looked cool. But not comfortable!
Doug Morrell St Louis MO Just back from a Rose Parade visit to "sunny" SoCal. Weather was better at home! But seeing your daughter march in the parade makes a dad proud!
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:51:59 -0500 From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com> To: stevens@veloworks.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Now: What Hipness Is. Was: Retro Cool Message-ID: <p06200732bdff444ad830@[10.0.1.6]> In-Reply-To: <20050103141959.M94581@veloworks.com> References: <20050103.055018.28046.149986@webmail32.nyc.untd.com> <20050103141959.M94581@veloworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8
Quoth Steven L. Sheffield:
>As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that's even remotely cool, then
>or now, is riding bikes built by people in one-man shops, who had an
>association
>with A.S.Gillott and/or Witcomb Cycles.
Ewww, you ride bikes you didn't build yourself? How declassé!
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:06:44 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Coppi commemorated Message-ID: <41D997C0.E22EDFA1@earthlink.net> References: <773FCCCDD769824588198305178278910522B44E@isomailp3.iso.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 9
"Silver, Mordecai" wrote:
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/
>
> Or go to http://www.cyclingnews.com/
> Monday, January 3.
>
> Mordecai Silver
> NYC
>
> p.s. Two years ago, on January 2, 2003, we New Yorkers had a BVVW
> meeting on the subject of Fausto Coppi, without knowing that it was
> the 43rd anniversary of his death!
It's always struck me as very odd (not really the right word) that Coppi's exploits seem so long ago (b 1919, d 1960), but he was a younger man than my Dad. Very sad...
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California
First Edition Cycling News for January 3, 2005 Coppi commemorated 45 years on Damiano Cunego wins 2004 Fausto Coppi-bici d'oro prize By Tim Maloney, European Editor
On a bright, sunny winter Sunday afternoon, over a hundred people gathered at the grave of Fausto Coppi and his brother Serse in Castellania, Italy on the 45th anniversary of his death for a ceremony to pay homage to il Campionissimo. Among the people present were former teammates of Fausto Coppi such as Ettore Milano and 77 year old Valeriano Falsini of Figline Valdarno, who was the teammate of Coppi in 1951 and 1952. Falsini, who has ridden his team issue Bianchi bicycle from his home in Tuscany for each of the last 45 years, explained that, "It's my way to honour a friend who was also the greatest champion ever in Italian sport. Until I can't do it anymore, I'll be here with him every January second, to pedal with him again. (Coppi) is one man alone in the lead even in our memories."
Coppi still has the greatest palmares of any Italian racing cyclist ever. Coppi won the Tour de France twice (1949-52) and the Giro d'Italia five times (1940-47-49-52-53). Coppi took his first Giro win in 1940 at 21 while riding as a gregario for Gino Bartali, and went on to set a new World Hour Record on the Vigorelli Velodrome in Milano (45.871km) that stood for 14 years until broken by Jacques Anquetil. Coppi still co-holds the Giro d'Italia win record at five with Eddy Merckx and Alfredo Binda and his post-WW2 Giro and Tour De France duels with Bartali captured the imagination of a war-torn Italy.
Coppi was also controversial because he left his wife to live with Giulia Occhini, the infamous Dama Bianca ("the lady in white"). Among Coppi's other major wins were the World Championships in 1953, Giro di Lombardia (five times), Milano-San Remo (three times) and Paris-Roubaix (once). On a cycling and hunting trip to Africa in late 1959, the forty year old Coppi contracted malaria but it was not diagnosed in a timely manner and so il Campionissimo passed to the great peloton in the sky.
Today, after a memorial mass celebrated by parish priest Don Giuseppe Lorenzi, the tourism consortium of Terre di Fausto Coppi and the Gazzetta dello Sport awarded the Fausto Coppi-bici d'oro prize for 2004 to Damiano Cunego, winner of the Giro d'Italia at 22 years old this season, currently ranked #1 in the world and currently the Italian rider most likely to inherit the mantle of Fausto Coppi. ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:06:32 -0800 From: "Tom Martin" <TMartin@wilsonbike.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Fender opinions Message-ID: <C4299541C5B901428FF2805ACCBDE7015C57@wbserver.WilsonBike.local> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10
Listers:
Honjo fenders have a range of mounting options: Fench style eyebolts and their modified cousins (all machined out of stainless by Honjo in house), simple R clips that thread directly into threaded eyelets. L brackets, sliding bridge clips, or pivot mounted eyebolts fix it to the fork crown and seat stay bridge. Options of 4 or 5mm stays too.
Aluminum fenders are durable if mounted correctly. VBQ has many good articles and instructions on proper fit up. They are noisier than plastic fenders, but then again proper mounting will eliminate most vibration and noise. A bit of rubber tube or leather in spots helps out too.
American cyclery and Jitensha studio have them in stock (and maybe even the 650b sizes too), and dealers can order 700c versions through Wilson bike sales on the west coast.
Tom Martin Oakland CA
-----Original Message----- From: Feeken, Dirk [mailto:dirk.feeken@sap.com] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:59 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Fender opinions
I have Cagnion (maybe Honjo replicas, can't tell the difference) fenders on a Singer and Berthoud steel fenders on my Guylaine (german randonneur) I ride everyday. Both are available with two types of mounting hardware for threaded eyelets or french threadless eyelets. The french style is more elegant, but usually you don't have a choice - the drop outs of your frame determine which mounting hardware you have to use. Even drilling out common threaded eyelets usually doesn't work because the fixing nut for the threadless eyelets at the drive side will interfere with the chain.
Although longer than all ESGEs/SKS fenders the Berthoud (front) fenders are a bit shorter then the Cagnions but sturdier. A small allen wrench dropped while monting a saddle left a visible dent in the Singer's fenders (sigh). Mounting the Berthouds is really a tough task, you have to measure and check everything twice especially before drilling a hole. Don't forget to order also the Berthoud mudflap.
Dirk
BTW: regarding breaking aluminium fenders, I have heard that you should never drill holes into aluminium fenders but that holes have to be punched in.
-- Dirk Feeken Heidelberg Germany
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of goodrichbikes Sent: Dienstag, 28. Dezember 2004 21:12 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Fender opinions
Collective wisdom sought-
Do any of you have experience with Honjo and Berthoud fenders? I like them both but haven't "lived" with either. Either will be mounted to my new 650B KOF bike but I want to know if one has better mounts/hardware than the other.
Curt Goodrich Minneapolis, MN
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:59 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: chasds@mindspring.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]re: masi on ebay Message-ID: <428776.1104779580317.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chasds@mindspring.com Message: 11
Ted wrote:
snipped: "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net> wrote: "Opinions" have their place. But facts, including but not limited to: durability, reliability/longevity, factory test results, and most importantly--customer feedback--(none of which I found in the archives relating to HJ lugs) speak volumes over opinions.
*******
Ah. But it's *opinions* that determine value.
My question: did the guy who bought that bike for 1500 bucks a year ago know what he was getting?
I'll be curious to see what this goes for this time around. To me? It's worth 500 bucks, tops. To me it's a well-made, anonymous frame that has Masi decals on it. But that's just my opinion. <g>
I have a sneaking feeling that there are many bike buyers on ebay who do not have much of an idea what they're getting when they buy a Masi. There are so many flavors around...and it's only now, after about 10 years of sporadic research--and after spending WAY too much money--that I'm fairly clear on what's what when it comes to Masis.
And even then, of course, opinion is everything. Facts mean little--to the market, that is. Sorry Ted.
Charles Andrews SoCal
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:53:43 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]masi GC on ebay Message-ID: <20050103195343.86558.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050103175516.60250.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12
Ted,
Maybe we're all talking about different things here? No one implied that
the Henry James lugs were of low quality or that the later Masi frames built
with them were of iferior construction in any way.
The point was simply that these frames lacked the "magic" (some would say
"mojo" - but I don't care to use the term, but that's a different story)
that the earlier frames have. I think the idea is that, except for the
decals, the Masi frames with the HJ lugs are no different than hundreds of
other nicely built frames that also use those lugs - i.e. they don't have
whatever it is that made theearlier frames so special.
Regards,
Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> That's funny, I just searched the archives for HJ
> Lugs, Henry James Lugs, and Henry James. I found
> nothing regarding FACTUAL information pertaining to HJ
> Lugs (i.e. "The HJ headtube lug on my Masi was found
> to have been not fitted properly;" OR "the HJ lugs
> have a history of failing under severe loads." All I
> found were a bunch of "opinions" regarding aesthetics,
> why Masi switched to the undesirable HJ lug, etc.
>
> "Opinions" have their place. But facts, including but
> not limited to: durability, reliability/longevity,
> factory test results, and most importantly--customer feedback--(none
> of which I found in the archives relating to HJ lugs) speak volumes
> over opinions.
>
> Ted Baer
> Having M.R.I. brain scan today--(to see if it's still
> there,)
> Palo Alto, CA
>
> Going back to bed now.
>
>
> --- "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > right said fred.
> > if you read the archives and/or follow this
> > stuff, you'll know that the hj stuff came really
> > late and, in that era, there were no eenie gc's
> > marked or imported. i.e. my comment also inferred
> > the country of origin.
> > as chuck often says, "...it's in the archives."
> > e-RICHIE
> > chester, ct
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ted,
> > I'm only guessing here but I suspect Richard's
> > point is that
> > because of the year in which it was built and the
> > use of Henry
> > James lugs, this bike - despite being a Masi - is
> > not really
> > anything special. That isn't to say it's not built
> > well,
> > because Joe Stark is an excellent frame builder (as
> > were all
> > the Masi builders, it seems).
> > So other than the Masi decals, there's little of
> > the magic
> > to distinguish it from other high quality,
> > hand-built frames.
> > Does that sound about right?
> > Cheers,
> > Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> >
> > > which lugs?
> > > nervex ref 32 or the MFI equivilant.
> > > you wanted a build date or pertinent
> > > info, iirc. the hj product dates the
> > > masi you asked about.
> > > e-RICHIE
> > > chester, ct
> > >
> > >
> > > -- "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not too sure what Richard means by "ick" with
> > regard
> > > to the hj lugs and crown on this Masi. But he
> > > certainly did not answer any of the questions in
> > my
> > > post..................
> > >
> > > If the the hj lugs and crown are "ickky" on a
> > Masi,
> > > which lugs and crown are not?
> > >
> > > I am asking questions because I know almost
> > nothing
> > > about Masi's--not because I want lame
> > > comments.........
> > >
> > >
> > > Ted Baer
> > > Palo Alto, CA
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "richardsachs@juno.com"
> > <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > this is an 80s frame, i bet.
> > > > hj lugs and crown on a masi. ick.
> > > > just m.o.
> > > > e-RICHIE
> > > > chester, ct
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > 7125268818
> > > >
> > > > Without a photo of the BB and without a serial
> > > > number,
> > > > anyone care to guess where this Masi came from?
> >
> > > > Italy or California?
> > > >
> > > > Should one be concerned with a small ding in/on
> > a
> > > > tube
> > > > (as is described in the item description?)
> > > >
> > > > Lastly, were Super Record rear derailleurs
> > optional
> > > > on
> > > > GC's? I thought all GC's used Nuovo Record as
> > > > standard equipment.
> > > >
> > > > Ted Baer
> > > > Palo Alto, CA
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:58:52 -0500 From: Peter Jon White <lists@peterwhitecycles.com> To: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com> Cc: stevens@veloworks.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Now: What Hipness Is. Was: Retro Cool Message-ID: <41D9A3FC.9070704@peterwhitecycles.com> In-Reply-To: <p06200732bdff444ad830@[10.0.1.6]> References: <20050103.055018.28046.149986@webmail32.nyc.untd.com> <p06200732bdff444ad830@[10.0.1.6]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@peterwhitecycles.com Message: 13
Carapace Completed Umber wrote:
> Quoth Steven L. Sheffield:
>
>> As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that's even remotely cool,
>> then or
>> now, is riding bikes built by people in one-man shops, who had an
>> association
>> with A.S.Gillott and/or Witcomb Cycles.
>
>
> Ewww, you ride bikes you didn't build yourself? How declassé!
>
> http://sheldonbrown.org/
>
> Carapace Completed Umber
That Umber guy is SUCH a snob.
-- Peter Jon White Peter White Cycles 24 Hall Rd. Hillsborough, NH 03244 603 478 0900 Phone 603 478 0902 Phax http://www.PeterWhiteCycles.com
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