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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Campy sidepulls (Kurt Sperry) 2. Re: vintage Eisentraut? (Paul C. Brodek) 3. Sugino AT (Aero Triple) needed (Jay Sexton) 4. Re: vintage Eisentraut? 5. Re: vintage Eisentraut? 6. RE: ISO: Tecalmit Oil Port Nipples Threaded 2BA (Steven Willis) 7. Re: Pic of the Day 4th Jan 2005 Jean Aerts (Michael Butler) 8. re: Davis Sewing machine track bike (HM & SS Sachs) 9. Re: Wanted: Campagnolo parts for '82 Colnago CX Aero (kim klakow) 10. Sugino AT (Aero Triple) available (Kevin Kruger) 11. Cheap caps for Campagnolo Steel Pump Heads 12. RE: eBay auction notices (Douglas Morrell) 13. Re: eBay auction notices (Don Rogers) 14. RE: eBay auction notices (richardsachs@juno.com) 15. Masi Nuova Strada 16. top mounted shifters (Jay Sexton)
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:00:14 -0800 From: Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Campy sidepulls Message-ID: <75d04b4805010512002e4c145@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <010520051547.3389.41DC0BF8000222EB00000D3D2200735446CE0D909F09@comcast.net> References: <010520051547.3389.41DC0BF8000222EB00000D3D2200735446CE0D909F09@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> Message: 1
Assuming one can lock either wheel, and equal skill in modulating the braking force for any two brakes, the stopping distance will be entirely a function of the mu (coefficient of friction) at the contact patch between the tire and the road.
I will grant that from the hoods I can surely stop faster on modern dual pivot brakes than vintage ones, as I cannot easily either apply enough braking force with my index finger to lock the wheel, or modulate when trying. From the drops though, I'd wager there'd be little or no difference in stipping distances between any properly functioning brake capable of locking the wheel being braked all else being equal.
I agree that pads go bad with age, and this may in some measure account for people's perceptions that vintage brakes are inadequate. Who supplies pads for old Campy SP holders that are actually fresh and haven't been sitting in a parts bin for years? My brakes could really use a FRESH set.
Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:03:08 -0500 From: "Paul C. Brodek" <pcb@skyweb.net> To: "Tod Kapke" <tod@blastomedia.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]vintage Eisentraut? Message-ID: <94got0ptdi036l7nuqmki0slgij7gka0kd@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <BF33A1FA-5F52-11D9-ADA2-000393B9850E@blastomedia.com> References: <BF33A1FA-5F52-11D9-ADA2-000393B9850E@blastomedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2
Tod, I have a 'traut Limited Touring just a bit taller, also with a fairly short top tube. Mine has the same lugs, same triangle punch-outs in the lugs, same seatstay/seatlug treatment, same rack braze-ons, same brake bridge, yadda yadda yadda. My serial number is stamped on the underside of the bb shell (75L493). Maybe the blue spray-over on yours has filled in the numbers?
I don't see these on ebay as often as the Limited Road; don't know what the original build/sales mix was like. IIRC, one or more of the well-known high-zoot frame painters have the proper SFO summer-of-love graphics Limited decals.
Mine rides nice, and like my Witcomb USA, I value it as a touchstone for early work from some of the current KOF/master framebuilders. I'm intrigued by the stuff these guys were building when they were working on their chops and not yet sufficiently established to build/market under their own name. Though there were differences in production vs. custom, med-volume vs. low-volume, etc,....
Limited>Gordon/Stevenson/etc as Witcomb USA>Sachs/Weigle.
Hope you get some good $$ for the frame, and I hope the buyer is happy with his/her purchase.
Cheers,
Paul Brodek Hillsdale, NJ
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:48:18 -0800, "Tod Kapke" <tod@blastomedia.com>
wrote:
>The so called Eisentraut is mine.. I will post some high res picks
>today so everybody can see if it is indeed a traut.. I really wish it
>fit me.. especially since it was another thrift store find.. A De Rosa
>and now a Traut from the same thrift store.. what are the odds?
>
>thanks,
>Tod Kapke
>Denver Colorado
>
>_______________________________________________
Paul C. Brodek Hillsdale, N.J. U.S.A. E-mail: pcb@skyweb.net ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:11:59 -0800 From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Sugino AT (Aero Triple) needed Message-ID: <41DC4A0F.3000103@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODKjOnYrdH100000caa@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODKjOnYrdH100000caa@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
Hello all, I need a Sugino AT crankset for my early 80's Centurion Pro Tour. Anyone have a set of crankarms and rings they would be willing to sell? Thanks. Jay Sexton Sebastopol, CA ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:14:15 +0000 From: gpvb1@comcast.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]vintage Eisentraut? Message-ID: <010520052014.20337.41DC4A9700026F5A00004F712200734840CE0D909F09@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:48:18 -0800 From: "Tod Kapke" <tod@blastomedia.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]vintage Eisentraut?
The so called Eisentraut is mine.. I will post some high res pics today so everybody can see if it is indeed a traut.. I really wish it fit me.. especially since it was another thrift store find.. A De Rosa and now a Traut from the same thrift store.. what are the odds?
thanks, Tod Kapke Denver Colorado
I think it has a whole lot to do with where you are located! I'm envious of you folks in the DenCo / Boulder area - nice old bikes and parts are seemingly littered all over the darn place sometimes!
Greg Parker Dexter, Michigan
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:19:43 -0600 From: <bikenut@verizon.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]vintage Eisentraut? Message-ID: <20050105201943.MSGK7873.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Yeah and there is a guy crying and muttering epitahs somewhere around Denver because his wife called the Salvation Army to pick up 'those old bikes' and make space for her mini-van in the garage... ;^)
Matt Gorski USC Rocks, Calif
<snip>
> The so called Eisentraut is mine.. I will post some high res picks
> today so everybody can see if it is indeed a traut.. I really wish it
> fit me.. especially since it was another thrift store find.. A De Rosa
> and now a Traut from the same thrift store.. what are the odds?
>
> thanks,
> Tod Kapke
> Denver Colorado
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:21:50 -0500 From: "Steven Willis" <smwillis@verizon.net> To: <ericinsf@excite.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]ISO: Tecalmit Oil Port Nipples Threaded 2BA Message-ID: <000601c4f364$33f04500$2f01a8c0@desiron.com> In-Reply-To: <20050103184223.EFF63109F27@xprdmailfe1.nwk.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
Ok, I have a pile of ports that sound like what you need how do I tell what a 2BA is? Please under stand "I fix bikes". Steven
The Bike Stand 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330 http://www.thebikestand.com
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Eric in SF Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:42 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]ISO: Tecalmit Oil Port Nipples Threaded 2BA
Hi Everyone,
Happy New Year to each of you! May 2005 bring much joy and happiness to all.
Here is a somewhat odd request: I am looking for several (6x pieces?) Tecalmit oil port nipples threaded 2BA for some vintage restoration projects now underway. These little buggers typically fitted bottom brackets and headsets of mid-century English bicycles.
Thanks in advance for any ideas...
Best regards, Eric Anschutz San Francisco, CA
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:24:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Butler <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk> To: CR Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Pic of the Day 4th Jan 2005 Jean Aerts Message-ID: <20050105202402.24723.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c4f2ac$6c5f0600$4d1afbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Many thanks Aldo for those superb pictures. Is that an Osgear I spy in the photograph? What a year 1935 was for Belgium cycling. Romain Maes winning the Tour de France and Jean Aerts being the first man to take the rainbow jersey as both an amateur and professional. He took his second jersey at Floreffe near to Namur in Belgium.
Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in your memories if not still on the road. Be lucky Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:45:26 -0500 From: HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com> To: wheelman@nac.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: re: [CR]Davis Sewing machine track bike Message-ID: <41DC51E6.3030504@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
Ray Homiski wrote about Davis = Huffy. I have my own Davis Sewing Machines of Dayton story that a few of you have heard. It was a GEAR (rally) in upstate NY, over 20 years ago, and my buddy Mel Kornbluh (now Tandems East) spotted an old triplet at a garage sale. Told me about it the next morning at breakfast, so we rattled out there in my Dodge "Carryall" to look at it. When we finally awakened the chap, he was very firm about the price, even though it wasn't complete. I paid in full, though w enough protest to assure him that the city slickers hadn't taken advantage of him. I stared at that bike for many years before deciding that I was not going to get the resources to restore it, and sold it to folks doing Dayton's new bike museum. The Huffman family funded the purchase. Specs: Date about 1898 23x23x23", fully lugged, in 1 - 3/8 tubing. forged steel cotterless cranks. 96" fixed gear. I believe it is restored and on display now, but I haven't seen it. Gloriously advanced design relative to my expectations, and a real gem-in-the-rough.
harvey sachs mcLean va ++++++++++++++++ First, did you all know that we are talking about a Huffy here! Yep, Davis Sewing Maching became Huffman bikes which became Huffy. That is a story for another time.
I actually had one of these bikes and came about it in an unusual fashion. I was driving home one night about a mile from home. I saw what looked like a pile of wood in front of a house and thought I saw a pair of handlebars sticking out. I was not yet into road bikes so this was late 80s or early 90s. I almost did not stop but curiousity got the better of me. After I took about a 4 ft by 10 ft stack of wood off of it, I saw the head tube badge. It said Davis Sewing Maching on it and it was the antique bronze type badge. It had wooden wheels and the front one was damaged very badly by the wood pile. Tires were shot but the drop handlebars and other parts were there and in very good shape. One thing I remember is that the chain ring webbing formed the name Davis.
As I said, I was not into road bikes yet so I took it to Trexlertown to sell. I had it on a back rack on my station wagon and I will never forget. Before I even touched it to take it off the rack a guy came up and asked me how much. I had no idea so I thought I would scare him off. I said $350, he countered and I said no. That was it, he opened his wallet and took the $350 out and lifted the bike from the rack and I never saw him again.
Perhaps this was one of you folks, I often wondered what eventually happened to that bike.
Elizabeth, NJ
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:51:00 +0100 (MET) From: "kim klakow" <Akimbo71@gmx.net> To: john@os2.dhs.org Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Wanted: Campagnolo parts for '82 Colnago CX Aero Message-ID: <2934.1104958260@www6.gmx.net> References: <41DC10BC.8030706@new.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
"
> > I believe I have a Colnago panto seat post that might be from the era
> you
> > are looking for. I think it is black ox but have to look to be sure. Are
> > you sure about the size 20mm. Sound pretty narrow to me.
>
> It is narrow, but that's what the Columbus Aero tubing used.
>
"
I actually believe the size is 19mm. The one I sold was a beauty, but I don't know who might have a spare seatpost lying around ...
-- Kim Klakow
Diplom Grafik Designer Akimbo71@gmx.net +49172-1786481 Berlin - Germany
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Kruger <ktk17028@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Sugino AT (Aero Triple) available Message-ID: <20050105211641.46390.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
Hello,
Per your request, I have a Sugino AT crankset
available for sale including drilled/drillium factory
Sugino chainrings. Condition is actually quite nice,
with absolutely no shoe or strap rub marks present on
the arms. There is the typical front derail. cage
rub/scratch mark present on the inside side of the
right arm. Arms are 170, English thread, with 52T
outer, 40T middle, and Shimano 28T inner rings. Rings
are like brand new, with very little use. Price is
$100.00 plus shipping. Please let me know if you are
interested. Photos available at the following
addresses:
http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:27:40 -0800 From: <velorosso@charter.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Cheap caps for Campagnolo Steel Pump Heads Message-ID: <3k77vr$g36tj4@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11
I've found a cheap source of replacement caps for Campagnolo steel pump heads at the local hardware store. They certainly aren't original, but look nice, are roughly the same length as originals and therefore serve the functional purpose of preventing metal to paint contact.
These little pliable caps are made to slip over the end of bolts, I presume for safety or identification purposes. They come in different diameters, each a different colour. The red seems to fit best, though black and orange also fit. There is also yellow and blue, but these don't fit well.
Cost is $0.10 - $0.20 each. Recap a few pump heads for a buck!
A list member referenced an ebay auction recently offering what looks like the red ones.
John Siemsen San Luis Obispo, CA
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:32:13 -0600 From: "Douglas Morrell" <dmorrell@nomise.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]eBay auction notices Message-ID: <2630C508B4B8F84581EDA6688884AA2E349472@apollo.nomise.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12
Steve, Sheldon, et al: What works for Eudora does not always work for Outlook users like me.
To me the absolute best thing is something e-Ritchie turned me on to a few months ago: tinyurl.com
When you're looking at any web site, copy the URL and then go to "tinyurl.com". From there it will make a short randomized string that pastes quite nicely into email. You can even have tinyurl.com put a button on your browser, so you can reduce the "effort" to one, single click. I use it frequently in many applications. Your readers will appreciate it.
Doug Morrell St Louis MO
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Sheldon Brown [mailto:CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:59 AM To: Steven Willis; 'Pete Geurds'; Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]eBay auction notices
Quoth Steven Willis:
>Sounds good to me. So I have been asked to list a load of parts from a
>fellow CR member Tom Adams, some Campy some not and you can see this
>group at....also a Galli group will be posted in a few days. Good luck
>to all. Steven Willis
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
u
s
>erid=smwillis&include=0&since=30&sort=3&rows=200
Good, but not quite good enough...long URLs like this sometimes get broken by line breaks in email messages...but there's a trick to keep this from happening:
When pasting a longish URL into email, enclose it in a pair of "<" ">" angle brackets viz.:
http://ebay.com/
That will make it stay clickable, at least in Eudora, and probably in most other email programs.
Sheldon "Clickable" Brown Newtonville, Massachusetts +-----------------------------------------+ | Immigration is not a problem to solve, | | but a sign of a successful nation. | | --George W. Bush | +-----------------------------------------+ -- Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com Useful articles about bicycles and cycling http://sheldonbrown.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:37:41 -0500 From: Don Rogers <turning.pedals@gmail.com> To: Douglas Morrell <dmorrell@nomise.com> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]eBay auction notices Message-ID: <f9042173050105133727b79543@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2630C508B4B8F84581EDA6688884AA2E349472@apollo.nomise.com> References: <2630C508B4B8F84581EDA6688884AA2E349472@apollo.nomise.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: Don_Rogers@brown.edu Message: 13
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:32:13 -0600, Douglas Morrell <dmorrell@nomise.com> wrote:
> What works for Eudora does not always work for Outlook users like me.
> When you're looking at any web site, copy the URL and then go to
> "tinyurl.com".
Some workplaces block access to tinyurl.com, since it can masquerade any content of questionable nature.
There seems to be no universal solution, but I find it handiest to receive simply an Ebay auction/item number to copy and paste.
Don Rogers Providence, RI ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:37:25 GMT From: "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com> To: dmorrell@nomise.com Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]eBay auction notices Message-ID: <20050105.133731.16442.3907@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14
douglas-issimo is right. use http://www.tinyurl.com to turn this:
into this:
http://tinyurl.com/
it helps in many email situations...
e-RICHIE
chester, ct
Steve, Sheldon, et al: What works for Eudora does not always work for Outlook users like me.
To me the absolute best thing is something e-Ritchie turned me on to a few months ago: tinyurl.com
When you're looking at any web site, copy the URL and then go to "tinyurl.com". From there it will make a short randomized string that pastes quite nicely into email. You can even have tinyurl.com put a button on your browser, so you can reduce the "effort" to one, single click. I use it frequently in many applications. Your readers will appreciate it.
Doug Morrell St Louis MO
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Sheldon Brown [mailto:CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:59 AM To: Steven Willis; 'Pete Geurds'; Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]eBay auction notices
Quoth Steven Willis:
>Sounds good to me. So I have been asked to list a load of parts from a
>fellow CR member Tom Adams, some Campy some not and you can see this
>group at....also a Galli group will be posted in a few days. Good luck
>to all. Steven Willis
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
s
>erid=smwillis&include=0&since0&sort=3&rows 0
Good, but not quite good enough...long URLs like this sometimes get broken by line breaks in email messages...but there's a trick to keep this from happening:
When pasting a longish URL into email, enclose it in a pair of "<" ">" angle brackets viz.:
http://ebay.com/
That will make it stay clickable, at least in Eudora, and probably in most other email programs.
Sheldon "Clickable" Brown Newtonville, Massachusetts +-----------------------------------------+ | Immigration is not a problem to solve, | | but a sign of a successful nation. | | --George W. Bush | +-----------------------------------------+ -- Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com Useful articles about bicycles and cycling http://sheldonbrown.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:40:09 -0500 From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Masi Nuova Strada Message-ID: <OF46D7A8ED.98C31719-ON85256F80.0076B69E-85256F80.00770860@mail.gm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15
There are a couple of these on eBay now. What is the story? Good? Junk? Somewhere in between?
Marcus Helman Huntington Woods, MI
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:43:31 -0800 From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]top mounted shifters Message-ID: <41DC5F83.4010704@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODDEA2VqFnW00000d4f@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODDEA2VqFnW00000d4f@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16
Wayne's experience (see below) reminds me that I am still searching for the adapter Suntour made that converts the top mounted symetric shifters to stops for bar end shifters. I just haven't had the time to custom make one. One of my Centurion Pro Tours has this Suntour branded adapter but I would like to find another for my other Pro Tour. Anyone have one they could part with?
Steve Willis? You often have the odd part sought after.
Thanks.
Jay Sexton home, sick, and raining again in Sebastopol, CA
Wayne Bingham wrote:
Besides the top-mount boss pictured on the link, there are at least two
(maybe more, but I know of at least two) types of braze-on mounts for top-mounted shifters. I think these were designed specifically for top-mount shifter assemblies like the Suntour Symetric and others. They (the braze-ons) consist of a single, threaded semi-cylindrical boss. My '83 3Rensho is so equipped, and it came outfitted with a Dura Ace top-mount shifter assembly (I hadn't seen one of those before either), part of the first (7400?) 6sp indexed DA group. I wanted to outfit the frame with Suntour components. While the Suntour Symetric system fit the boss, I wanted to use conventional Superbe Pro shifters. After finally scrounging up one of the little adaptors Steve mentions above, I found that it would not fit the braze-on. The braze-on was too long longitudinally for the adapter. I had to file down the fore and aft edges of the braze-on, ultimately making it sort-of a square with rounded corners, before the adaptor would fit. It wasn't terribly difficult, and the adaptor now fits, but the adaptor was definitely made for a different braze-on than the one on the 3Rensho.
So when you are hunting for these bits, just be aware that one size does not fit all.
Wayne Bingham Lovettsville VA
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