Re: [CR]Sedis Chain Dating

(Example: Production Builders:Tonard)

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:55:45 -0500
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
From: "George Allen" <jgallen@lexairinc.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Sedis Chain Dating
In-Reply-To: <424279FE.81A00553@earthlink.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050323162226.01b8f348@mail1.lexairinc.com>


Chuck and Don,

The chain pictured with the Sedicolor box is definitely not a bi-color chain. The goldish rivet to which Chuck referred is the only link like that on the entire chain. Also, it is the only unmarked link, all the others being stamped either with "Sedis" or an "L". Also, the chain is not black, per se. It is more gun barrel blue. However, the box is identical to the one pictured by Chuck. So maybe Don is correct in that the chain is not original to the box.

George Allen Lexington, KY

At 03:27 AM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
>George Allen wrote:
> >
> > Please check out these two photos of NOS Sedis chains with their boxes. I
> > need a 1974 vintage Sedis chain.
>
>
>Donald Gillies wrote:
> >
> > That box probably _isn't_ original to the chain, which seems to be a
> > black chain. SedisColor (what's the deal with the missing 's' on the
> > box ?) chains were 50-50 gold/black or silver/black - not black/black.
> > SedisColor chains weren't used on Peugeots until 1976/1977 :
> >
> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/index.html
> >
> > And according to my memory, sediscolor chains were a "second half of
> > the 1970's" thing, so I think that your box is certainly not a 1974
> > box.
> >
> > The black chain that I think you are looking for is a "Sedisport".
>
>
>
>Don, I think you are in error on several points here. George's NOS
>Sedicolor chain has tarnished after 30 years in the box. If you look at
>the chain link in the center of the picture you'll see it still shows
>its brass plating. I believe they were around in 1974 or earlier.
>Thevenet won the '75 TdF with one.
>
>George Allen's Sedicolor chain:
><http://www2.lexairinc.com/~geo/photos/chain2.jpg>
>
>NOS Sedicolor chain:
><http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3561856/1086994314979_chain_sediscolor.jpg>
>
>1975 Peugeot PX 60 with Sedicolor chain:
><http://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/PX60_1975.html>
>
>Your statement that Sedicolor chains weren't listed in Peugeot catalogs
>until 1976/77 is true as far as that goes. What you overlooked is that
>the Peugeot catalogs don't list brands of chains in their catalogs
>before 1976.
>
>I also don't believe the Sedicolor chain had silver and black links,
>only the gold (brass) and black links.
>
>The innovative Sedis Sedisport bushless chain came out in the late
>1970s. All black at first, then a few years later (1980s) they added
>the all silver or all gold versions.
>
>So I believe George's Sedicolor chain would be the 1974 vintage Sedis
>chain he's asking for, or even a Sedis Delta process black chain would
>be fine too. But a Sedisport would be too new.

>

>Chuck Schmidt

>South Pasadena CA

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