RE: [CR]Reasonable Restored Masi Gran Criterium Frame - UPDATE

(Example: Racing:Wayne Stetina)

Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:49:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [CR]Reasonable Restored Masi Gran Criterium Frame - UPDATE
To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050717163957.94004.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com>


i realized that another $25 would make me the high bidder, so i went for it. i really think this frameset is fully priced at $1,525 so that is my limit. opinions welcome.

ray dobbins
miami florida


--- Raymond Dobbins wrote:


> hello all,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> dan's comment that when it comes to early 1970's masi's, the market

\r?\n> remains quite hot, is being confirmed as we speak. a 74 italian gc

\r?\n> frameset on ebay, ending in less than an hour, is up past $1,500 - i

\r?\n> took it there, but that's as far as i am willing to go. it is not a

\r?\n> twin plate like dan's was, but it was recently repainted by cycleart

\r?\n> too. perfect size for me, so i went for it as far as my conciense

\r?\n> allows - and pretty damn close to what my wallet allows as well.

\r?\n> although it is not as nice as dan's (i remember that one, it was

\r?\n> gorgeous), it will probably sell for around the same money as dan's

\r?\n> ($2k). anyway, as the soup nazi would say, "no masi for you."

\r?\n>

\r?\n> ray dobbins

\r?\n> miami florida

\r?\n>

\r?\n> --- Jim Innes <innesj@i-2000.com> wrote:

\r?\n>

\r?\n> > DB, thanks for the opinion. I am tending towards your view. I

\r?\n> > haven't

\r?\n> > been

\r?\n> > paying that much to classic market until the last 3 months or so,

\r?\n> but

\r?\n> > my

\r?\n> > feeling as an amateur economist is that prices for good classic

\r?\n> steel

\r?\n> > are

\r?\n> > rising, and from hanging around bike shops recently, more people

\r?\n> are

\r?\n> > talking

\r?\n> > with enthusiasm for the prior generation of racing bikes. As for

\r?\n> my

\r?\n> > Masi,

\r?\n> > it's already been repainted with a decent pro paint job in an

\r?\n> > approximation

\r?\n> > of a Masi red, and the plan was that my original Masi decal set

\r?\n> was

\r?\n> > going

\r?\n> > to be applied by the owner of the shop, who's main business is

\r?\n> > industrial

\r?\n> > design, and he is quite graphically skilled and has a passion for

\r?\n> > good

\r?\n> > old

\r?\n> > bikes. I haven't seen the results yet, but likely it will present

\r?\n> as

\r?\n> > a

\r?\n> > competent looking restoration, but not equal to high class pro

\r?\n> > restoration.

\r?\n> > I will send you all pix as for further comments as soon as I pick

\r?\n> it

\r?\n> > up,

\r?\n> > likely in a week or two. I am bit cash poor, so I am hedging on

\r?\n> the

\r?\n> > date.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Thanks again for weighing in.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Jim Innes

\r?\n> > Wireless Access Technologies, Inc.

\r?\n> > 4217 Ridge Ave. #2

\r?\n> > Philadelphia, PA 19129-1745

\r?\n> > 267 481 1461 f215 438 1220

\r?\n> > innesj@watinc.net

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > -----Original Message-----

\r?\n> > From: DB [mailto:db@home-work.com]

\r?\n> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:32 PM

\r?\n> > To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos; brianbaylis@juno.com;

\r?\n> innesj@i-2000.com

\r?\n> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> > Subject: Re: [CR]Reasonable Restored Masi Gran Criterium Frame -

\r?\n> Any

\r?\n> > Advice,

\r?\n> > Da ta Appreciated, + a List of My other Rides

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Jerry,

\r?\n> > I will offer an alternative opinion, based on an Italian made Masi

\r?\n> GC

\r?\n> > from the early 70's.

\r?\n> > I bought the bike on ebay last summer for $800. It was a red spray

\r?\n> > can repaint, but was obviously (to my amateur trained eye) the Masi

\r?\n> > it was represented to be by the seller. I scooped it up very

\r?\n> quickly

\r?\n> > using "buy it now", yet realizing it would be slightly too small

\r?\n> for

\r?\n> > me. I decided I wanted to have it restored by Baylis, and maybe

\r?\n> ride

\r?\n> > it, maybe keep it, maybe sell it. Brian did a bang-up job,

\r?\n> repainting

\r?\n> > the bike in the medium Masi metallic blue. Thank you again, Brian.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I ended up listing the frame six months later on ebay and to my

\r?\n> > surprise it sold for $2000 - hence I netted a handsome profit.

\r?\n> > Truthfully, I did not expect to do much better than break even, but

\r?\n> > when it comes to early 1970's Masi's, the market remains quite hot.

\r?\n> > If any CR listers would like me to send before/after photos of the

\r?\n> > bike, just LMK.

\r?\n> > -Dan Borden in Brookline, MA

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > At 5:30 AM -0700 7/15/05, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:

\r?\n> > >I'll second, from the customer side, what Brian said. I've had

\r?\n> > >several frames restored, always with the full knowledge that I

\r?\n> could

\r?\n> > >never recoup the cost by selling them. There is simply,

\r?\n> absolutely,

\r?\n> > >no money in paying to restore a bike, then selling it. At least

\r?\n> not

\r?\n> > >if you pay to have it done properly by one of the highly skilled

\r?\n> > >people on this list, including Brian. Perhaps a restorer might

\r?\n> make

\r?\n> > >a bit of money by buying and restoring frames himself, or at least

\r?\n> > >make something for his time. But this would only make sense if he

\r?\n> > >had idle time on his hands. As long as he has plenty of orders,

\r?\n> he

\r?\n> > >will do MUCH better by simply doing restorations for paying

\r?\n> > >customers.