Brian,
Try is part fillet brazed one ;
http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/
I've fuller details of another late 40s frame somewhere showing a fillet brazed frame naked ! sans paint that is. But I'll need to dig them out. Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of these fillet brazed frames appeared or became more "popular" during the post-war era as a result of the lack of continental lugs - or I suppose any lugs for that matter. In the immediate post-war years say up to the late 40s you also see quite a few small to medium builders just continuing where they left off in 39' This lasting till the advent of the mass adoption of the 'continental' style and componentry in Britain.
Bob Reid Stonehaven Scotland
On 12 Aug 2005, at 17:22, brianbaylis@juno.com wrote:
> Mick,
>
> Thanks for straightening that out. It makes sense they are less
> money, but somehow it seemed opposite in my memory.
>
> Any such thing as a Flying Scot in fillet brazed frame?
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
>
> -- Michael Butler <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I have to disagree about the UK builders pricing of
> welded frames (fillet brazed)these were invariably
> cheaper than lugged or bi-laminated models:
> Claud Butler's cheapest frame set for many years was
> the Buccaneer (welded) their next frame up in the
> range(Cavalier) was lugged and was nearly a pound
> dearer. If you take one of their models in which they
> produced three separate versions welded (fillet
> brazed) lugged or bi-laminated the welded version was
> always the cheaper option in the Club or Sprint
> series.
> Higgins another famous builder of welded frames again
> the Ulralight (bronze welded) was cheaper than a
> lugged frame. In the Path model Fred produced two
> models lugged or welded, there was a whopping three
> pound more to pay for the lugged version of the Path.
> Stuart Purvis his welded frames were again a hell of a
> lot cheaper than his lugged frames. I am sure that in
> the 1952 the Holdsworth Laquelda was cheaper than most
> of their lugged frames think this also applied to
> A.S.Gillotts L'Atlantique as well. How about Hobbs of
> Barbican another prolific builder of welded frames all
> again a lot cheaper than their lugged versions. When
> looking in the various makers catalogues for their
> respective pricing policies on welded or lugged frames
> I compared like with like regarding tubing used and
> ends fitted etc.
> Please do not start another myth up that fillet brazed
> (welded) was dearer it most definitely wasn't when
> they were all making them.
>
>
> Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in your memories if
> not still on the road. Be lucky Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.