Re: [CR]Apology and request for feedback

(Example: Component Manufacturers)

Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:53:54 -0400
From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
References: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90701A2E3@hippy.home.here>
In-Reply-To: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90701A2E3@hippy.home.here>
Subject: Re: [CR]Apology and request for feedback
To: Mark@bulgier.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


<<the main reason why I "steal" images is because they seem likely to not last on the web - eBay auctions in particular - and I want to archive them. I bet that has resulted in some being there that the owner wouldn't want used that way. >>

Mark, thanks a million for your generosity and time taken to supply these resources to all of us FOR FREE and at no benefit to yourself!!

Maybe it would be a good idea to give acknowledgement to the sources whenever possible, but images on the web especially those on eBay auctions, are acknowledged by all reasonable folk to be in common play and unless personal profit is being made from their "theft", it is totally kosher...

In all the years of hosting the Classic Rendezvous web site, I have had only two cases of being asked to remove images. In those cases it was the "dog in the manger" syndrome where the images were not available to the public in other places but the owners just didn't want them used on the CR. Not very laudable or noble position but honored by me nonetheless. You "just run into a few of those". Thank goodness most people are decent and sharing in attitude....

But I can only thank you again for your huge gift to us all in your web published bike stuff files.

Dale Brown Greensboro, NC USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:17:45 -0700 Subject: [CR]Apology and request for feedback

Yesterday I posted a message to the list that I really regret, full text below.

Mordecai Silver wrote: > Some really good things here, at Bobby Sapovits' website: > http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/. To see the really neat Teledyne

> Titan brochure, click on "Bicycles", not "Teledyne Titan".

Lotta cool stuff there all right, but they forgot to acknowledge the source of that Teledyne brochure image. Steve Kurt that is, who did the scanning. I doubt Steve is touchy about it, but I like to give him his propers. (Check out the original at http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Teledyne/ - same number of pixels and bytes, same creases and splotches.)

The glaring problem with that is it seems like I am criticizing Bobby Sapovits for "stealing" my image, which I definitely did not intend - all the images on my site are free for anyone to use, for anything. With the caveat that I don't own many of them, and you could be in the same trouble I am in if you use something that the copyright owner doesn't want used.

Yes, I have tons of stolen images on my site, most of which I don't remember the original source for and don't give any credit for. That's why my post was so stupid and embarrassing.

The main reason why I "steal" images is because they seem likely to not last on the web - eBay auctions in particular - and I want to archive them. I bet that has resulted in some being there that the owner wouldn't want used that way. I sure hope anyone offended by any image being on my site, whether they own it or not, will let me know. If there's anyone who has been quietly steamed about this, I sincerely want to hear about it. Though the website is just a hobby and quite amateurish, I am willing to try to make it better; please feel free to comment - probably off-list is best.

Mark Bulgier
Seattle WA USA