[CR]frame w nervex lugs and insects on the tubes - please help identify!!

From: "Falk Schirmer" <huelse@europe.com>
To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:19:40 -0500
Subject: [CR]frame w nervex lugs and insects on the tubes - please help identify!!

Hello, I have a big problem identifying a 1950s nervex frame that I bought on a lo cal market here in Germany. It has problems with rust, little dents and a h ole in the chainstay (chainsuck, maybe), but I like these lugs soooo much a nd want to fix all this, step by step... First I wanted to find out about t he manufacturer. The frame has no original sticker about it's brand, the he adbadge is also missing. After checking pics and books for a while, I'm at the end of my knowledge. I tried at the roadbikereview-retro-forum, but nob ody could help. Instead I got this mailing list recommended. Maybe somebody
   can help here: - frame has nervex pro lugs and campy front & rear dropouts, no cable guide s, it feels very very light
    some pictures:
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30606&stc =1
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30607&stc =1
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30608&stc =1
    If you have problems watching these, the thread with the pics can be foun d at
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=41385 - very "racer-like" geometry 54.5cm seattube (c-c) and 59.5cm top tube (c-c) - the bb tells only "131393" and opposite, "U". I don't know if this is a t ypical nervex bb lettering.
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30612&stc =1 - no letters on the fork steerer - two parts maybe original, a french Stronglight headset and a hollow axle for cottered cranks that says "Boehm -
    St. Etienne" - also french. BB thread is 1.37"x24T. If I'm right that's n ot french.
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30611&stc =1 - on some tubes are pressed-in symbols of an insect, sometimes inside a tri angle (left chainstay, fork),
    sometimes without (top tube, down tube near steerer tube)
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30614&stc =1
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30615&stc =1
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30616&stc =1
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30617&stc =1
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30613&stc =1 - a sticker with the same insect is on the fork blades, so I consider that "goldbrownyellow" to be the original color
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30621&stc =1 - seat post size is 27.2mm, the seat stay attachment looks like 1950s style
   to me...
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30618&stc =1 - the seat binder: In the beginning I thought it was a later repair, but wh at looked first like a slim insert was
    the seat tube itself, machined to fit this seat binder (there is no gap o r dimension jump inside the tube, there
    is also some maybe-original color left on this "slim end").
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30619&stc =1
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30620&stc =1
    The binder itself looks also little italian style, the one on a 1950s Gal mozzi seems to almost the same.
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30754&stc =1 At Wooljersey gallery I found two italian bikes that look very similar (lug s, dropouts, seat stay attachment, seat binder style): - a late 1950s Bussandri
    http://www.wooljersey.com/albums/January_2005_lot/side_view.sized.jpg - and a late 1950s Romani
    http://www.wooljersey.com/albums/January_2005_lot/side_view_Romani_strada .sized.jpg All this similaryties mean maybe nothing, but I could find no picture of a french bike with this seat binder construction, though there is a lot of fr ench bikes with these lugs from that time. ...Let's see. Thanks for your help (and for reading this far), I hope somebody can provid e some informations... Huelse from Dresden