Re: [CR]Re: Derny Paced One Hour Record Attempt

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From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "James Cushing-murray" <cush@colorado.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Derny Paced One Hour Record Attempt
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:10:32 -0700
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Hello: We've got some great posts. Thanks to James C.M. The Backstedt interview was very timely in that it fit in to our weekly term theme. He alludes to the pedal/push rpm we discussed. He's looking for the stride he needs. It'll be a combo. Good motion with as big a gear as he can comfortably overturn while maintaining form looking for the best line he can on the track for maximum speed and minimum distance. Just like taking the correct line on the road going through the corner without scrubbing off or coasting and maintaining speed and rhythm. Notice how he said to race before New Year for 6 days and then to road training to get his road legs. The 6 days will be an easy way to get his winter fixed gear riding in without being exposed to the elements, colds, pneumonia, etc. Steady riding, endurance training, and rpm enhancement. Mark and Gene are right on. It was a great transition to have experienced mixed fixed and freewheel riding and racing. These historical flashbacks to our time line bikes and their use are great. For Jamie and Doland the single line was tricky. You could imagine the single line, but I interpret that as riding in the road single line / file as moving along at fast paceline) and changing off going like hell. When I think of a paceline single file at the edge of the road, I know the guy in front is taking the field to the side so they will have almost NO wind protection as in the echelon. He's thinking " hang on if you can". I'm going to break my legs before I slow up. No protection for you. I'm going to blow you off, or explode trying. That's the old Belgium school. If you swing out of the line, hit cobbles or dirt, You lose 20 places, or? Racing at it's blood and guts best. The curb to curb was self explainitory. When my dad was racing in Germany in the "20's, he told of how the local club where the race was held got to ride in the front row(s) and they covered the street and only when flats, spill, or ability made a hole in the line could an opposing club get to the front. I'm sure if you tried to get by on the side you were helped to a ringside seat in the bushes. We'll have to talk about this fixed gear riding. I feel that the CR has become much more professional and sophisticate this last year or so. With all the track bike talk and road bike use, I suspect most of the super, group CR / VR rides may be mixed. As the bikes will be Timeline correct the off season riding may not be too out of order. The gals will have just as much to gain as the men, because the ride will be safer when we all know how to handle fixed / freewheel mixed riding. I suspect, if the gals feel safer and happy, they will make the guys feel happy, too. I think the riders should send written affidavits to Dale attesting that they will only ride timeline correct bikes as the riding relates to our winter skills training to ensure safety on our rdes like at the CR, for instance. As one of the riders who rode before the timeline cutoff date, one had to be very skilled at riding in mixed fields. It was fascinating listening when my dad and the other old timers talked about the pre-war days when some guys would show up with freewheels at rides. The guys would literally tell them in no subtle words where to go. The key to riding in a mixed field was for the freewheel riders not to apply the brakes stupidly. The fixed gear riders had to ride a little off the wheel to allow for unexpected braking. You could back-pedal quickly but had to pay very sharp attention to back off, and then the rider in back of you could have a mild stroke to compensate. The fixed one brake riders could scare the living (ahem) daylight out of all the field. I surmise the time gap was to allow riders time to get a road bike. Credit not being as proliferated as today. Think of riding a fixed gear as driving your car, by using the gas pedal instead of brake predominantly. It gives you a totally different perspective on riding and driving. What you get is control by foot / feet. By riding low gears through the cold / off riding time one gets endurance while recuperating from last season's riding. This also gives the rider the easy pedaling motion so easily seen in all the old and new classic race videos on how the riders pedaled our timeline bikes into our revered history and restored glory. Ted Ernst Palos Verdes Estates, Ca


----- Original Message -----
From: James Cushing-murray
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: [CR]Re: Derny Paced One Hour Record Attempt



> Ted should like this:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/interviews/?id=magnus_backstedt05. A nice
> discussion about gears, leg speed, and position on the track by Magnus
> Backstedt as he gets ready to attempt to break the hour derny paced
> record.