They are NOT common. Sooooooooo exceedingly NOT common. N'est Pas?
700c old Old OLD label -CLINCHER- Mavic *RIMS* (consumable, highly, especially this vintage) in MINT condition from the *50's* - labels too!! Frankly, I'm not really surprised, and also in awe of this battle (and I mean that as highly complimentary). The bike these are going on must be *TREMENDOUS*. This reminds me of a valiant, winner-take-all, high stakes game of chance, where courage determines the winner. Very nice!
As an afficianado of Japanese culture, I understand, and I appreciate these collectors very much. CR list members should recall the discussion about how [generally] most Japanese collectors have a few REALLY nice items, rather than the large collections some American collectors choose to pursue. The example that comes to mind was a mint gullwing Mercedes, casually driven for a Friday night out in Tokyo. Frankly, I wish a few notable list members would re-evaluate the doctrine of QUALITY vs quantity. The Japanese also understand USING [certain] items [correctly] is part of the key to enjoying them. I hope this lesson is not lost on some here.
Bill Roberts Jacksonville, OR
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of hersefan@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:22 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Yowza! Mavic rims at $1250 on eBay?
Well gosh, I've been in the French scene for a few years now, and if I recall correctly, I can't remember ever seeing a pair of these in 700c clincher. Lots of 650b, lots of tubular, but 700c clincher in great shape? Just can't recall.
And 700c clincher really isn't a bad combo either. The french made exotic hand made clinchers with tubular type casings (see the Rene Herse on ebay right now).
So my vote is that these rims really are that rare. For an early 700c randonneur machine with the right tires, it is a very nice combo.
And if I'm wrong, and if they are common, will someone please sell me some (for a fraction of the price please) as I could use a couple of pair.
Mike Kone in Boulder CO
> chuck, are these rims so rare as to justify the price, or is the price
\r?\n> at this point really a reflection of the passion?
\r?\n>
\r?\n> i don't know about the rims, but i'm guessing its the passion.
\r?\n>
\r?\n> ray dobbins
\r?\n> miami florida
\r?\n>
\r?\n> --- Chuck Schmidt wrote:
\r?\n>
\r?\n> > And bottom line...
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > I'm in absolute awe over the raw PASSION these two guys display in
\r?\n> > this
\r?\n> > hand to hand throw down over a pair of rims! WOW!!!
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Chuck Schmidt
\r?\n> > South Pasadena, Southern California
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > ternst wrote:
\r?\n> > >
\r?\n> > > I too, took Robert's comment on the rims as complimentary.
\r?\n> > > Never had any problems with any Japanese people or dealings. Bike
\r?\n> > or
\r?\n> > > otherwise. It's too bad our society is falling into a politically
\r?\n> > neutral
\r?\n> > > position by the neutered.
\r?\n> > > Get a life, folks.
\r?\n> > > I think by far and large, the good critical commentary on our
\r?\n> > subject matter
\r?\n> > > on the CR is very healthy.
\r?\n> > > We need some pro and con so we all can learn.
\r?\n> > > Doesn't make it unfriendly or disrespectful.
\r?\n> > > Please don't forget: We live in a republic, a republic is a nation
\r?\n> > locked in
\r?\n> > > argument, when argument ceases, the republic ceases.
\r?\n> > > In my opinion, most bicyclists are by nature more independent and
\r?\n> > > freethinking. Good commentary and discourse are learning and
\r?\n> > growing
\r?\n> > > experiences.
\r?\n> > > Hip, hip, hooray for the bike.
\r?\n> > > Ted Ernst
\r?\n> > > Palos Verdes Estates, CA
\r?\n> > > ----- Original Message -----
\r?\n> > > From: "Raymond Dobbins"
\r?\n> > > To: "Anderson, Robert" ;
\r?\n> > >
\r?\n> > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:16 PM
\r?\n> > > Subject: RE: [CR]Yowza! Mavic rims at $1250 on eBay?
\r?\n> > >
\r?\n> > > > robert,
\r?\n> > > >
\r?\n> > > > i think your statement was essentially a statement of fact.
\r?\n> > although
\r?\n> > > > the auction is not over, at this point it is highly likely that
\r?\n> > the
\r?\n> > > > rims will find a new home in japan. that auction has turned into
\r?\n> > a
\r?\n> > > > bidding battle between two japanese individuals.
\r?\n> > > >
\r?\n> > > > you know what, i hope they enjoy their new home in japan too - on
\r?\n> > a
\r?\n> > > > toei hopefully.
\r?\n> > > >
\r?\n> > > > ray dobbins
\r?\n> > > > miami florida
\r?\n> > > >
\r?\n> > > > --- "Anderson, Robert" wrote:
\r?\n> > > >
\r?\n> > > >>
\r?\n> > > >> earlier I wrote:
\r?\n> > > >> I hope they enjoy their new home in Japan.
\r?\n> > > >>
\r?\n> > > >> It has been pointed out to me that perhaps this statement could
\r?\n> > be
\r?\n> > > >> interpreted as being negative, denigrating, or even possibly
\r?\n> > racist i
\r?\n> > > >>
\r?\n> > > >> regards to our fellow bicycle enthusiasts in Japan.
\r?\n> > > >> Nothing could be further from the truth. I was merely stating an
\r?\n> > > >> opinion, that these types of items, at these types of prices,
\r?\n> > are
\r?\n> > > >> often
\r?\n> > > >> purchased by Japanese bidders. Nothing more.
\r?\n> > > >>
\r?\n> > > >> I, myself have sold a number of classic bicycle related items to
\r?\n> > > >> Japanese collectors and without exception have had positive
\r?\n> > > >> experiences.
\r?\n> > > >> The collectors in Japan that I have dealt with have been polite,
\r?\n> > > >> enthusiastic, generous and appreciative. In my experience thay
\r?\n> > have
\r?\n> > > >> always left positive feedback on eBay. I very much appreciate
\r?\n> > having
\r?\n> > > >> them as customers.
\r?\n> > > >>
\r?\n> > > >> What I SHOULD have said was: I would absolutely LOVE to see the
\r?\n> > > >> bicycle
\r?\n> > > >> that these rims are destined to be a part of.
\r?\n> > > >>
\r?\n> > > >> Regards,
\r?\n> > > >> Rob Anderson
\r?\n> > > >> Brooklyn, NY