Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel

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From: "g.boggs" <g.boggs@comcast.net>
To: "Neil Crawford" <crawdad1959@yahoo.ca>, <FujiFish1@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <20051122141054.35238.qmail@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:44:17 -0500


The Pino seat post really wasn't: he sold the design and it was altered quite a bit, many of them broke due to the revision.

Regarding the wheels, there was quite an evolution. The first started with standard rims designed for nipples but there were lots of problems with broken spokes. The rim ferrules, being designed for nipples didn't angle the spoke correctly causing a bend right at the jam-nut. The fix for that was to get Ambrosio to make the rims for him, minus the ferrule and spokes from Bill Shook. Both the Ambrosio people (Marz Marzarati sp.?) and American Classic, were very good to Pino.The rim had a dimple stamped by hand at each spoke hole that allowed the spoke to pull straight and avoid the strees riser the bend created. From there, Pino went large gauge in both Ti and aluminum with the spoke screwed radially into the edge of the flange and jam-nutted to the rim. These were his best and the precursor to what is so common today. I still have a bunch of the nuts, wrenches and the #2-56tpi taps. As far as I know, I'm the only one in the U.S. to have built these wheels. I have a pair on my Telavio road bike that I built and a single rear with a Pino hi-lo hub w/ a Ti axle and Ambrosio dimpled rims. I built up quite a few pairs when I worked at Kinetic Systems.

----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Crawford To: g.boggs ; FujiFish1@aol.com ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel

I had a pino seat post in the late 70's realy light. Tell me about his wheel building with the lock nuts on the spoke nipples. The guy was way ahead of his time.

Crawdad

"g.boggs" <g.boggs@comcast.net> wrote: Pino had nothing to do with that "Lentil" bike. He was present at the time of testing, with a bike of his own, which is the coventional track bike that is on the CR Pino page. That bike, which was built in the "Centro Studio" at the Olympic Velodrome, made it's way back to Detroit (Warren) where I first saw it. I used to ride it around Pino's neighborhood....This was back in 1987/88. Pino was going back to and forth to Italy, bringing frames when he returned to the States. The track bike , My 58cm road bike and a road bike in grey primer that he said was built for Sarroni were memorable. There are two floating around with Ron Finch http://www.finchscustoms.com/ paint jobs but no one knows who's got them. They ended up as team bikes for the Flying Rhino CC and have vanished. I believe this track bike along with the Pi-Behr Ti track bike is still in the possesion of Marcella, his daughter. The red bike that Pino is holding in the photo on CR is one of the Pino-Cecil Behringer 6-4 Titanium bikes. It has a Magnesium seat post and seat frame like the one on Merckx's hour record bike. It weighs 11 1/2 lbs if I remember correctly. I never rode that one...Too damn expensive! I was a mechanic at Kinetic Systems in Clarkston, where I met Pino. We used to hang out. Greg Boggs Waterford, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel

> So the wheel is not made by Pino, OK ... but the BIKE was made by Pino, > right? Anyone have the long story on this one? Was he in Detroit or > Italy when > this was built ... and when was it? > > Greg supplied the photo from Dale's Pino page here: > > > Ciao, > Mark Agree > Southfield MI USA > ~ ~ ~ > > > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:56:43 -0500 > From: "g.boggs" > Subject: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel > > The wheel depicted in the photo found here > http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/USA/components/Pino_1s.jpg is > wrongly attributed to Pino Morroni. Pino himself told me this was not > his work. > I believe this wheel to be the invention of the famous Itallian > biomechanics wiz, Antonio Dal Monte. I have the newspaper article from > IL Messagero from 1987 as well as photos provided to me by Pino > (autographed by himself and Moser). > Greg Boggs > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Classicrendezvous mailing list > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org > http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 18/11/2005 > >

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