Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel

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From: "g.boggs" <g.boggs@comcast.net>
To: "Steve Leitgen" <sleitgen@charter.net>, "Neil Crawford" <crawdad1959@yahoo.ca>
References: <20051122141054.35238.qmail@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4acedcb4d34816269745717aa5924bce@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:49:53 -0500
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cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

The red track bike IS one of the Pi-Behr titanium bikes. I haven't seen it since '99 but I've seen it a hundred times. Lugged and brazed titanium with magnesium components....the real deal. I talked to Marcella last night, she still has it. I'm in possesion of one of the Pi-Behr forks, and it is painted in some sort
of red primer.
Greg Boggs


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Leitgen
To: Neil Crawford
Cc: FujiFish1@aol.com


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel


> One of Pino's setups had spokes threaded at both ends. The one end
> threaded into the hub flange and the other had what appeared to be spoke
> nipples threaded inside and out. The nipples had a lock nut that pressed
> against the outside of the rim. Hope I got that right. I'm dealing with 25
> year old memories. Behringer had a pair hanging in his shop. Must have
> been a bugger to true.
>
> On an aside I doubt that the red Pino bike is a Titanium Pin-Behr. Cecil
> always said when they vacu-brazed the frames they back filled the furnace
> with Nitrogen. It gave the Titanium a surface layer of Titanium Nitride.
> (The same stuff found on premium drill bits). This made the bikes a gold
> color. A real bugger to get paint to stick to it. He also preferred 3-2.5
> Titanium. It was easier to braze.
>
> Steve Leitgen
> La Crosse, WI
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2005, at 8:10 AM, Neil Crawford wrote:
>
>> I had a pino seat post in the late 70's realy light. Tell me about his
>> wheel building with the lock nuts on the spoke nipples. The guy was way
>> ahead of his time.
>>
>> Crawdad
>>
>> "g.boggs" <g.boggs@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Pino had nothing to do with that "Lentil" bike. He was present at the
>> time
>> of testing, with a bike of his own, which is the coventional track bike
>> that
>> is on the CR Pino page. That bike, which was built in the "Centro Studio"
>> at
>> the Olympic Velodrome, made it's way back to Detroit (Warren) where I
>> first
>> saw it. I used to ride it around Pino's neighborhood....This was back in
>> 1987/88. Pino was going back to and forth to Italy, bringing frames when
>> he
>> returned to the States. The track bike , My 58cm road bike and a road
>> bike
>> in grey primer that he said was built for Sarroni were memorable. There
>> are
>> two floating around with Ron Finch http://www.finchscustoms.com/ paint
>> jobs
>> but no one knows who's got them. They ended up as team bikes for the
>> Flying
>> Rhino CC and have vanished.
>> I believe this track bike along with the Pi-Behr Ti track bike is still
>> in
>> the possesion of Marcella, his daughter.
>> The red bike that Pino is holding in the photo on CR is one of the
>> Pino-Cecil Behringer 6-4 Titanium bikes. It has a Magnesium seat post and
>> seat frame like the one on Merckx's hour record bike. It weighs 11 1/2
>> lbs
>> if I remember correctly. I never rode that one...Too damn expensive! I
>> was
>> a mechanic at Kinetic Systems in Clarkston, where I met Pino. We used to
>> hang out.
>> Greg Boggs
>> Waterford, MI
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel
>>
>>
>>> So the wheel is not made by Pino, OK ... but the BIKE was made by Pino,
>>> right? Anyone have the long story on this one? Was he in Detroit or
>>> Italy when
>>> this was built ... and when was it?
>>>
>>> Greg supplied the photo from Dale's Pino page here:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Mark Agree
>>> Southfield MI USA
>>> ~ ~ ~
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:56:43 -0500
>>> From: "g.boggs"
>>> Subject: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel
>>>
>>> The wheel depicted in the photo found here
>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/USA/components/Pino_1s.jpg is
>>> wrongly attributed to Pino Morroni. Pino himself told me this was not
>>> his work.
>>> I believe this wheel to be the invention of the famous Itallian
>>> biomechanics wiz, Antonio Dal Monte. I have the newspaper article from
>>> IL Messagero from 1987 as well as photos provided to me by Pino
>>> (autographed by himself and Moser).
>>> Greg Boggs
>>>
>>>
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