Re: [CR]LUGGED FRAMES VERUS FILLET BRAZED FRAMES

(Example: Production Builders:Cinelli)

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From: "Steve Leitgen" <sleitgen@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]LUGGED FRAMES VERUS FILLET BRAZED FRAMES
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:13:42 -0600
To: DonWalkerCycles@aol.com
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I'll throw a couple more pennies into the pot.

The problem with overly defining rules is that one, it excludes people who may have good information to contribute and two it encourages the mischievous minded to see how far you can push the rules.

So for example. I have a recumbent that I built in 1981. (Topic) It is silver soldered lugged Columbus SP. (KoF) It is based on a 1919 Velocar. (Classic, also hardly new age) A nice gentleman sent me a picture of his 30s Schwinn Superior. According to a narrower interpretation of the rules my 'bent is more "on topic" than the Schwinn.

Some very nice people answered my question on F-1. Even got some pictures. Thank you very much. I always wondered what happened to the genre.

Steve Leitgen La Crosse, WI

On Dec 2, 2005, at 6:39 AM, DonWalkerCycles@aol.com wrote:
>
> Listee's,
>
> Quite frankly,I feel your idea's of KOF are far too narrow a scope. At
> least
> imho.
> There are plenty of builders who fit the profile, but not the profile
> you
> have set forth.
> I am NOT talking about Tigged Steel frames, but fillet brazed and your
> points are weak for why they do not qualify to be a KOF.
>
> If its merely the lugged method, and many of the luggers file their
> lugs,
> the whole KOF issue should be renamed "Keeper of the Hand File".
>
> There are many things that come to mind when I think of a KOF. The
> first
> being a bicycle frame made by hand, with minimal machinery by one
> person.
> Secondly, Oxy/Acetelyne or Oxy/Propane fuel used to apply filler
> material. Last,
> but not least is the fact the bicycle has a good fit for the rider and
> is
> perfect in every way for the riders intended usage.
>
> Using lugs as a determining factor for acceptance as a KOF is a joke.
> I now plenty of builders who make a mean fillet brazed frames (myself
> included) and only dabble in lugs or choose not to use them for each
> and every
> frame, yet I would consider us all KOF's. If its merely a semantics
> issue,
> broaden your perspective so us fillet brazers feel a bit of love, too.
>
> My $.02
>
> DW
> handmadebicycleshow.com
> See you in March!
>
>
>
> Chuck Schmidt wrote,"......
> I think the agreed upon definition of a Keeper of the Flame would be
> lugged steel frame construction.
>
>
>
> For me, KOF implies lugged steel, so I agree. There are beautiful
> bikes
> make without lugs, but that isn't what rocks my boat. Lou Deeter,
> Orlando
> FL