Dear All, Since no year range was given for the Claud Butler frames Michael was speaking about I wanted to make sure that some one with an unidentified lugged Claud Butler frame did not automatically ignore the possibility that it could be an inexpensive Electron model. I hope that makes the reason for my post clear. C.J. Scheiner NY, NY USA
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> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:07:39 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Michael Butler <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: cjscheiner@pol.net
> Cc: CR Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re:Lugless = affordable
> Dear CJ
> This is not meant to sound sarky but what has the got
> to do with the price of eggs.
> When you talk about the Electron you are referring to
> a badge engineered Claud made by Holdsworthy and post
> 1965, we are talking about the high water mark of
> authentic Claud Butler production 1946 to 1957 when
> these welded lugless frames were produced. Remember
> Claud was producing over 10,000 frames a year in the
> better post war years and the majority were lugless.
> So you have got a little confused on this and it needs
> to rectified correctly before you cloud the whole
> subject and create another myth.
> Simple innocent mistake to make but they are two
> different makers and a decade apart.
> I will go on record as saying I don't think
> Holdsworthy ever made a lugless Claud in fact in the
> 60's very few British makers made lugless frames with
> the exception of the Taylor's.
> Many thanks for your input but its a red herring.
> Best wishes Mick Butler Hunts UK.
>
> --- cjscheiner@pol.net wrote:
>> However, the bottom of the line Claud Butler
>> Electron Super Five had Prugnat lugs.
>> C.J. Scheiner
>> Brooklyn, NY USA
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>> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:15:44 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: Michael Butler <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: greenjersey@ntlworld.com
>> Cc: CR Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Welding
>> ... Claud Butler all their lugless frames were the
>> cheap option
>> Buccaneer, All-Rounder, Super Velo and Super Arrow
>> all lugless and cheap
>> or affordable depending on your description.