FINALLY, I have read a posting that made me CHUCKLE!!!! MICK, GREAT, I also have ridden with few TARTS in my day, also ridden or TRIED to with some fast tarts, but the view from the back is worth it, FUN I think is the KEY word to what we do, it be riding the bloody bike or fixing it,OR Spending hours and lots $$$ collecting odds and sods for it. HAVE FUN, thanks to all that have replied to my posting, Cheers and a Merry Merry or Happy Happy (as the Brits say) Xmas, Crumpy, Perker Co USA