Re: [CR]Was dating Zeus, now Reynolds A tubing...

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:07:40 -0500
From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Was dating Zeus, now Reynolds A tubing...
To: robertrreid@tiscali.co.uk, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


<< Reynolds produced "A" "B" and "HM" pre-war... they could be one and the same thing perhaps, but "A" grade was around then. I've no idea what the difference was, but a few builders produced very light machines in the mid 30s using what one I know of listed as "Special A" grade tubing. Reynolds even then producing special tubing to order. >>

Hi Bob & gang:

That's very interesting! Have you seen bicycles marked as having A or B tubing from that era? All my reading of my mountains of old Cycling mags have not turned up reference to this tubing (A & B) before WW2. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I was under the impression that High Manganese was retired with the intro of 531. No? Might anyone have examples or in-print evidence, by chance?

I bet Hilary can weigh in on this......

Thanks! Dale

Dale Brown Greensboro, NC USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com

-----Original Message----- From: Bob Reid <robertrreid@tiscali.co.uk> To: CR List <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:50:42 +0000 Subject: Re: [CR]Was dating Zeus, now Reynolds A tubing...

And also not believing the Listmaster...

Reynolds produced "A" "B" and "HM" pre-war... they could be one and the same thing perhaps, but "A" grade was around then.

I've no idea what the difference was, but a few builders produced very light machines in the mid 30s using what one I know of listed as "Special A" grade tubing. Reynolds even then producing special tubing to order.

It's not a case of disbelieving the Reynolds folk, it's just not the whole story. Now if we had any framebuilders from the 30s...

Off on another tangent - Has anyone noticed that a frame built of Accles & Pollock tubing feels noticeably lighter than one from '531' - was it really a case of Betamax vs VHS ? Also Accles & Pollock were part of Ti long before the parent company scooped up Reynolds and A&P were a big volume tubing manufacturer. The question is did A&P supply the stock tubing to Reynolds to their spec. for Reynolds to draw into their product line ? I'd love to know why A&P stopped production of cycles tubes yet continue to this day to produce tube for all sorts.

Bob Reid Stonehaven Scotland

http://www.flying-scot.co.uk (mapped)

On 20 Dec 2005, at 03:27, oroboyz@aol.com wrote:

<< Here's a quote from Terry at Reynolds (<TOPTUBES@reynolds-cycle.com>):

"Reynolds "A" steel quality was used for bicycle tubes before we introduced 531. As it was the 1930's we no longer have exact information to the specification. It is shown as an equivalent material to BS970 EN5 or BS1775 CDS28."

It's hard to imagine that the Zeus in question is that old, though. >>>

No, that bike for sure isn't that old... and despite his best intentions, I think this gentleman at Reynolds was misinformed. I believe he has confused Reynolds "A" with Reynolds High Manganese. "A" was a later second tier product produced post WW2. The "transfer" is even in a more modern (60s -70s) style.

This is a perfect lesson in not necessarily believing everything we are told. The best meaning people occasionally get things screwed up...

Dale Brown Greensboro, NC USA

-----Original Message----- From: David Ross <dlr94306@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:44:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CR]re: dating a Zeus

I don't know anything about Zeus, but I did some research earlier this year on Reynolds "A" tubing (which, according to the tubing decal is the material used on the Zeus). Here's a quote from Terry at Reynolds (<TOPTUBES@reynolds-cycle.com>):

"Reynolds "A" steel quality was used for bicycle tubes before we introduced 531. As it was the 1930's we no longer have exact information to the specification. It is shown as an equivalent material to BS970 EN5 or BS1775 CDS28."

It's hard to imagine that the Zeus in question is that old, though.

Dave Ross Portola Valley, CA

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