Re: [CR] Matching Gios paint

(Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti)

From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:23:50 GMT
To: henox@icycle.net
Subject: Re: [CR] Matching Gios paint
cc: gillies@cs.ubc.ca
cc: gillies@cs.ubc.ca

Hugh and everyone,

Regarding the Gisa blue color; first of all it appears in a wide range of shades. How bright or less so the color in question is, depends on the age and care of the frame, what kind of exposure to sunlight it had, and even to a degree what clear was used on the frame. It seems that one type of clear tends to yellow quite a bit and cause the blue to begome darker than the original. It can appear quite dark. Other frames seem to maintain the clearer and brighter blue of the new original bike. I suspect the frames looked differend from one another even when new, meaning that one clear was clearer that the other right out of the can. I see this exact range of colors with the Colnago blue. That matters on account of the blue toner that makes the brilliant and beautiful Colnago electric blue is the same toner that makes the darker and less "electric" color of the Gios. The difference is in fact the base coat it's sprayed over. There is a toner that works wonderfully for both Gios and Colnago. Once one has that, and knows what to do to make it usable after that, the paint job is no more difficult than any other flam paint job. The thing is, a good flam paint job takes skill in addition to using the proper materials in the proper way. Which shade are you going to match? The new one will never change color due to modern materials. Piece of cake, right?

Brian Baylis
Vintage Cycle Studios
El Cajon, CA


-- "henox" wrote:


> Re: Matching GIOS Paint

Don wrote:
> If the cyclart web site is to be believed, then matching GIOS paint
> might be one of the hardest tasks in the vintage bicycle painting
> field.

I completely agree. I've usually just matched the color by eye but it is certainly very elusive and time consuming to match.

I've also sprayed out a test panel using touch-up from Colorado Cyclist and tried two different paint match scanners at the paint jobbers I go to and neither one could come up with a match or tease the color apart. BTW, the color is quite opaque so the primer color is irrelevant.

Brian Myers of Fresh Frames was once kind enough to send me his mix formula for Gios blue (in PPG if I remember right) which yielded a very close match. Unfortunately I seem to have lost the formula when I moved and I don't know if I'll ever be able to speak with him again now that Fresh Frames is closed and he has moved on. Maybe someone on this list knows Brian............

Hugh Enox
La Honda