Len and David; I would assume they kept the Super Special going as they probably still had a supply of tubing to use up, befor phasing out the mosel completely, and it's possible that many of the Super Specials might have been ordered before and while the Nulli Secundus was being introduced.
Peter Naiman
Shorewood, WI
> Hi Len,
> Thanks for the email. It is good to actually get
> information from
> someone who knows rather than speculation. I wonder
> if Hetchins
> continued to sell Super Specials because they
> already had orders for
> them, and would that account for the overlap in
> models? Or was it the
> price difference?
> Best regards,
> David
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Len wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> The Nulli Secundus was advertised as being 'a new
> model which also has
> a new
> appearance in lug work (Cycling, Oct1949)
> David, there were 79 new Latin Series frames sold
> from introduction
> until
> your was sold on the 8th April.1950, 5 1/2 months
> after the show.
>
> There were over 60 Super Specials built and sold
> after the introduction
> of
> the Nulli Secundus
> There are over 100 Nulli Secundus frames sold in its
> first year of
> introduction.
> In the late 1949 catalogue the Super Special was
> £18.9.6, the Nulli
> Secundus
> was £19.9.6d. Why did they keep the SS going so long
> ???
>
> Regards Len
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Cooper" <dbcooper@rcn.com>
> To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Len Ingram" <len@nutwood30.free-online.co.uk>;
> <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; "Flash"
> <editor@hetchins.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Petes Nulli Secundus and Six Days
>
>
> > Tom,
> > I have a Nulli Secundus (#503574) that was made in
> April, 1950. It
> > still has the internal headset. I was under the
> impression that the
> > Super Special was renamed for the 1949 Earl's
> Court show to introduce
> > the Latin Series lugs. I am not sure when they
> stopped using the
> > internal headset but it was not related to the
> name of the model. My NS
> > has round forks and orthodox stays. My guess is
> that it was built to
> > complete an order Hetchins might have taken at the
> 1949 show.
> > David Cooper
> > Chicago, IL
> >
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2005, at 1:17 PM, Thomas Rawson wrote:
> >
> > Pete,
> >
> > As you know Im just a student of this stuff. And I
> like thinking about
> > it about as much as owning the bikes. I do attempt
> to merge what we
> > believe we know with the kind of thinking I used
> to do as a Product
> > Manager (gun industry). I guess that could be
> called conjecture. But my
> > hope is to challenge conventional wisdom/thinking
> so that eventually a
> > better understanding of what went on emerges.
> >
> > This is the kind of thing that led to Flash
> rewriting of the Hetchins
> > manufacturing history and relationship to Bob
> Jackson a couple years
> > ago. That history, for anyone interested, is in
> the CR archive and can
> > be found on Flash' website. Flash, Len and Hilary
> Stone are way out in
> > front of all of us on the subject of Hetchins. Its
> fun to try and catch
> > up.
> >
> > Its my understanding based on interaction with Len
> and Flash that the
> > Super Special, introduced in 1945 (and ran to
> approximately 1950), was
> > renamed (with minor physical changes) the Nulli
> Secundus. That renaming
> > occured in 1950 at the same time the Latin Series
> was launched. We tend
> > to think the launch of the Latin Series was
> significant and quite
> > unique in the bike bus, particularly at that time,
> for a couple
> > reasons. First it was a series or system - not
> just one new model.
> > Second and I think more important, it was another
> example of Hetchins
> > attempt to set themselves apart from everyone else
> by using proprietary
> > lugs. The "early" (pre Latin) models that you
> prefer eg. various
> > Brilliants, Competition, Massed Start, Anglo
> Continental used purchased
> > lugs from companies like Chater Lea. Problem was,
> from Hetchins point
> > of view (I conjecture) that their lugs looked
> pretty much like everyone
> > else's in the '30s and '40s.
> >
> > The Super Special is special in that its lugs were
> unique - unlike
> > anything generally available on other bicycle
> brands. Since no one is
> > around from the time and there are no marketing
> committee meeting notes
> > left behind, we dont know what went into the
> choice of the the term
> > "Latin Series" nor where the names Nulli Secundus,
> Experto Crede,
> > Magnum Bonum, Magnum Opus, Vade Mecum came from.
> We can however see the
> > Latin derivation. The Super Special therefore is
> the first of the
> > Hetchins with distinctive, proprietary ornate lugs
> and its success I
> > conjecture, contributed to the creation of the
> Latin Series. The Super
> > Special sans internal headset bearings was renamed
> Nulli Secundus and
> > was part of the launch of the Latins. It can
> therefore be thought of as
> > the first Latin.
> >
> > And to Mick - with regard to Six Day models they
> came both ways - track
> > dropouts or set up with gear hangers. What makes a
> Six Day a Six Day
> > (sorry) is the crushed seat tube.
> >
> > Tom Rawson
> > Oakland, CA
> >
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