The CR site is irreplaceable....period. Everyone on this list knows that. Although interested in vintage bikes for several years, I only caught the addiction and started seriously collecting and restoring a year and a half ago, maybe two, max. Anyway, none of this would have happened were it not for the CR site and my eaves dropping on the archives of the list. (So, yes, Dale is to blame!!!!) Sure there are lots and lots of other sites that one can glean information about this or that, but they are usually run by people with very specialized interests. In some ways that's good because on some of these topics you have someone so obsessed with a make or a part or whatever, that the info is incredibly detailed. But, nowhere is there a site where so much is in the same place. Every country, every mark, every component. Or, certainly close. If it were not for this site I would never have found what has become by passion. I too have run a web site. Several years ago I and several partners ran a European centered racing news site called Cyclegossip. Some of you may remember it (but I doubt it). It was intended to be profit making but never succeeded so we died. Before that happened, however, we took in what was once our web master as a partner. He did all the work of loading the news that we wrote and edited. Loaded new pictures everyday, etc. Very time consuming and worth 20% of the business. Our own lives suffered due to the time demands it made on us even it was worth it for a time So where is all this going. I don't know what Dale has in mind for the future of the site. Updating a site daily, even weekly, can be all consuming. I know, I know, "this is Dale's living room"......and the site is his but.......everyone who uses it or reads these postings I am sure feels some sort of proprietary interest even if we don't have one and our feelings are misplaced.......Its my site after all, I check it out everyday, and use if for reference more than that if such a thing is possible. Bottom line than is might we as a group provide the funds to allow Dale to hire a local firm to manage the site. To make sure things get posted and not backlogged etc. Dale, of course as its owner, says what goes, but that doesn't mean he has to do the hands on day to day chores a site entails. I, and I am sure others, would willing contribute to the costs. There are sites, of course, that you have to pay to use. That is not what I am thinking. Just pay what you can and if you can't use it anyway. We collect enough for Dale to hire the appropriate person for a year and go from there. Edward Albert Dependent on the CR site in Chappaqua, NY (you guys even have me talking like you do now)