This is not really true - for some time Huret made a special tabbed washer which made it possible to fit a Jubilee directly to a Campag dropout. This washer is different from the tabbed washer used to attach a Duopar to a Campy dropout. This washer was not listed in Huret spares list for all the time that the Jubilee was manufactured and is very differenty to that used when fitting to Huret's own pattern of dropout.
Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
> Hello Peter, regarding:
>
> <<Are the following statements correct? --- 60's-early 70's French rear
> derailleurs had a smooth rear derailleur hanger "bolt" which slid into an
> unthreaded hanger on the frame, or an unthreaded hanger plate, and a lock
> bolt/nut secured the der in place from the back of the hanger.
> ("Simplex-style".)>>
Steve Neago wrote:>
> Yes the Jubilees have a hanger bolt that can screw into either a derailleur
> hanger on the frame or attach by a Huret derailleur mounting bracket that is
> later bolted onto the frame. Please note, Jubilee derailleurs were not made
> to directly fit a Campy dropout, a derailleur mounting bracket must be used.
> The way to tell is if a Huret dropout is used where they have an etched
> Huret on the outer dropout side. Jubilees were commonly used on mid-high
> end racing bikes such as Raleigh Competition, Rene Herse, etc. Jubilee
> derailleurs do not work well with Campy dropouts because the mounting
> position for the angle of the derailleur is wrong. I have heard of past
> owners using a dremel grinder to "fix" this, but it sounds too risky to
> me...
>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to ask the Francophiles a couple of additional, basic questions
>> which relate to the original question about Juilees. My own collection
> of
>> vintage bikes is limited to 70's and later, Campy-style, so I'm a bit
> vague on
>> other dropouts, particularly any esoteric variations.
>>
>> Are the following statements correct?
>>
>> --- 60's-early 70's French rear ders had a smooth rear der hanger "bolt"
>> which slid into an unthreaded hanger on the frame, or an unthreaded hanger
>> plate, and a lock bolt/nut secured the der in place from the back of the
> hanger.
>> ("Simplex-style".)
>>
>> --- Jubilees were made with both Campy-style, and Simplex-style hanger
> bolts.
>>
>> --- Simplex changed their hanger bolt to Campy-style in the mid- to
>> late-70's.
>>
>> I've made up the term "Simplex-style". I assume that there are a number
> of
>> earlier, or maybe concurrent, iterations, which might also have been
> produced
>> by Simplex, and which might have involved any number of generations of
>> hanger styles? What names would more accurately or succinctly or clearly
>> distinguish the 60's-70's French style, and the Italian-style which I
> refer to
>> loosely as "Campy-style"?
>>
>> As I scratch my head regarding this subject, I think I suddenly
> understand
>> why derailleurs, pre-1975 or so, generally came with hanger plates, and
> frames
>> were often built without integral der hangers.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter Bridge
>> Four more days in Denver, CO
>> (Not quite man enough to collect true, vintage, French-style bikes)