So George, You need to stop riding in the gutter. I have been riding tubulars for 30+ years. I get 1 flat a year averaging about 5000 miles a year. However I don't ride where all the road debris collects either. I have found that Continental Sprinters make a great rear tire and either Vittoria Corsa CX, Veloflex Criterium's or Zipp tires on the front.
Peter Koskinen Chapel Hill, NC 2/4
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of George Argiris Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:09 PM To: Martin Appel; David Patrick Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR] A single sew-up among many clinchers
I agree with all on the subject of feel, but, I seem to flat a lot, so........
george argiris san diego, ca
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Martin Appel Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:01 PM To: David Patrick Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] A single sew-up among many clinchers
David, i agree with all you say, especially about the Veloflexes; i use Criteriums, and Servzio Corsa (on my Racebike). they are extremely fine tires, i like the ride quality better than the Dugast Silks i had. Just one thing: Conti Competitions have Butyl inner tubes yet ride very, very smooth. First rate tires, they only don't last very long.
Martin Appel Munich, Germany
David Patrick wrote:
> I have to agree w/Greg on this one. Part of the problem w/cheap
> tubulars is that they use a butyl tube, where higher priced tubulars
> (generally costing >$60 each) use a latex tube. By riding a cheap >
tubular w/a butyl tube, you are not experiencing the nice, plush ride >
quality that is found w/a latex tubed tubular, and if you loose that >
quality, I just don't see any reason to ride tubulars. Not trying to > be
argumentative, but I'd rather ride clinchers than a $20 tubular.
>
> Also, Greg is right on the money when he says cheap tubes flat less,
as this is what I've found from my experience. I currently have a pair of
Veloflex Criteriums on my everyday Erickson race bike and this set of
tubulars have been mounted for 20 months now. These Veloflex tubulars are
very, very nice. The Vittoria tubulars that Greg has for sale thru Bicycle
Classics are also fantastic (hey, I bought a pair from Greg last week!).
These are Italian-made tubulars (pre-Thailand mfg) and the quality can't be
beat for the $$$. I raced on Vittoria tubulars for
ages and they're an excellent riding tire, w/great reliability. Also
of interest are the new DedaTre Olimipco tubulars, which look very tasty
from what I've seen. I have a pair on order now, expecting them by this
time next week. These have gum sidewalls, so they're very traditional
looking, have a very high thread count to the cotton casing and will
handle 160psi. Just what the doctor ordered, if you ask me.
>
> Oh, and that tubular glue smells pretty damn good also......
>
>
> Dave Patrick
> Chelsea, Michigan
>
>
>
> gpvb1@comcast.net wrote:
> You should probably re-read my post.... ;-)
>
> Greg Parker
> Dexter, Michigan
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>
>>I say, why ride a $119 tubular and flat, when you can ride a $16
>>tubular and flat?
>>I've ridden training tubulars to the point of no more tread, they
last!
>>Everything flats. I rather throw out my tire. If I ran $119 tires, I'd
>>feel like I had to repair them. So that's either going to add over all
>>cost to that tire, or your going to do the fix and end up with a lump
in
>>your super expensive silk.
>>
>>george argiris
>>san diego, ca
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>>[mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of
>>gpvb1@comcast.net
>>Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:59 PM
>>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>Subject: Re: [CR] A single sew-up among many clinchers
>>
>>
>>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:28:06 -0800
>>From: "KO Kevin"
>>To:
>>Subject: [CR] A single sew-up among many clinchers
>>
>>I am still riding my racing equipment from the 80's and am reluctant
>>to make the switch from sew-ups to clinchers. However I have found
>>that I
>>am now the only one with sew-ups in our training group. Riding sew-ups
>>never used to be a problem, because when I was racing, most of us
>>trained on sew-ups. We each only needed to carry one spare, and if
>>someone was unfortunate enough to flat twice on a ride, there were
many
>>other spares to borrow. I still carry only a single spare sew-up, but
I
>>find that after a flat and subsequent tire change, I am praying to the
>>cycling gods to get me home without another flat, because there are no
>>longer any other spares to borrow. Besides carrying two spares, or
>>making a sew-up repair on the road, are there any other options such
as
>>that nasty goop that can be squirted into a tire to fix a flat from
the
>>inside? I know there are others that still ride sew-ups in this group.
>>What measures do you take to protect against being stranded after
>>multiple flats?
>>
>>
>>Kevin Ko
>>
>>Eugene, OR
>>
>>Probably the most important thing to do IMO is not buy cheap tubulars.
>>They tend to have very short lifespans, and can often have an
unpleasant
>>ride quality as well. Other than that, keep them properly inflated,
and
>>watch what you ride through, but that's not always easy to do.... What
>>tires are you using, and how often do you flat? I use (and sell for
>>$119/pr.) NOS Italian-made Vittoria CG Squadre Prof (cotton, 255 g.)
>>tubulars, and as far as I am aware, everyone has had good luck with
>>those so far. In a current tire, the Veloflex Criterium (250 g.) and
>>Servizio Corse (210 g.) seem very nice indeed.... Greg Parker Dexter,
>>Michigan http://www.bicycleclassics.com