You know, now that I study the eBay photos again, I think you are right. In my previous response to Marc, I was deceived by the eBay seller talking about an original Zeus BB and crankset, so I assumed it was a late 60's/ very early 70's Competition with Zeus dropouts and mostly Zeus components. But the Capella lugs and also the full sloping fork crown match the Competition MkII and are completely different from the earlier Zeus-equiped Competition. If Marc has now received the frame, one almost certain comfirmation that it is an MkII is to check the dropouts, If they are Campy, Simplex or Huret, rather than Zeus, then this is 99.9% certain to be an MkII, given the other evidence.
As to the "original" Zeus crank, I just noticed that the seller says it is 52/42. The Zeus Competition crank on the early Raleigh Competition, as I said in my earlier post, had a 151 inner BCD like an old pre-NR Campy Record, which means it won't take an inner ring smaller than 44T. So I doubt seriously if the Zeus crank is in fact original, as it would have to be a Zeus Criterium, not a "leftover" Competition from the earlier Raleigh Competition.
I think all the evidence supports your view that this is a circa 1973 Competition MkII, for which the original color would indeed have been black, with original components including Huret Jubilee derailleurs, TA Professional three-arm cranks, and Normandy Competition hubs,
Regards,
Jerry Moos Houston, TX
raleypc@netscape.net wrote: Marc,
I almost 100% positive that this Competition would have had the TA 3 arm cranks and cool Huret Jubilee gears. Check out the 1973 catalog on the retro Raleigh site. As far as I know 1973 was the only year for Capella lugs.
I also think that 1972 was unique in that in was the only year for fancy lugs on the Pro. I know and have seen some listmembers blue mink and silver versions of this bike. Has anyone ever seen a (brown) mink and silver version with the fancy lugs? These lugs are shown in the 1973 catalog chromed on the Pro Track - stunning! In view of this I think that the "1972" catalog on the Retro Raleigh site actually shows 1971 models (at least my 1971 Pro and Inter match the pictures and specs).
As a final bit of Raleigh catalog trivia (I promise) the 1971 catalog (1972 so-called) specifies a Brooks Team Pro for the Professional, and the picture seems to show large rivets, etc. This is what I have on my '71 Pro so if true, this makes for an earlier introduction for the Team Pro saddle than I have seen claimed on the list (1973 I think?). I am not 100% sure that the Team Pro on my Pro is original so this is another theory. Any thoughts?
Paul Raleigh Raley Leonardtown MD
marc garcia wrote:
>I picked up this 72 competition frame:
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>I thought the price for the frame was fair so i
>decided to pick it up despite the fact some one got
>the bright ideaa to paint the top, down, and part of
>the seat tubes red. It apears what is left of the
>original paint is in very good condition especially
>the gold pinstriping. I think I'm going to try to
>avoid doing a complete repaint and try to preserve the
>original paint that is left. I figure I have two
>possible options for this: 1. repaint the red tubes
>black. If I do this is there any way to avoid having
>the shiny repainted parts stick out like a sore thumb?
>If after I repaint the red tubes and gave the entire
>frame a clear coat would that help
>
>2. I've asked the seller if it looks like the red
>paint was put over the original black but he hasn't
>gotten back to me yet. If the red did go over the
>black are there any paint strippers out there that
>could be used to remove one paint layer at a time?
>
>
>I was also hoping that someone could tell me what
>parts this frame would have had originally. I'm
>assuming it would have had a zeus crankset to go with
>the zeus bb still on the frame. I'm also assuming
>weinmann CPs were original.
>
>I haven't decided yet if I'm going to build it up
>original. I'm tempted to build it up using some campy
>SR parts, would that be terribly offensive?
>
>I also picked up this 74 International that is so
>cherry I am going to bring it back to original shape:
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>I've got a pair of carlton hoods for it but they're a
>bit grimey, can I bleach these some how without
>damaging them?
>
>thanks for all your help,
>
>marc garcia
>chicago IL
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