That sounds like the symetrical spindle used with Pista, early
Chorus and later Athena cranks. Is that correct? If so,
modern - and readily substitutes - are the BB used with Centaur
cranks or the Record Pista BB.
Cheers,
Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> My 1988 Victory cranks used the same BB spindle length as
> early C-Rec
> - I ran a C-Rec BB for a long time with these cranks. 109 mm
> according to Campy. I believe that later, Campagnolo added 1
> mm on
> each side to allow the use with wider chainstays.
> --
> Jan Heine, Seattle
> Editor/Publisher
> Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
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>
> Don't the Victory cranksets uset the same bottom brackets as
> the later NR/SR cranks? If that's the case, a 115mm
> spindle/cup set - either NR (thick wall cups) or Gran Sport
> (thin wall cups) should work.
> Cheers,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia - USA
>
> --- dddd <dddd@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > IP Merkin wrote:
> >
> > >I have a Victory double crankset that I want to install
> on
> > an old Italian
> > > frame, but need help to get the bottom bracket spindle
> > length. I've heard
> > > 109
> > > (and was fixing to buy a NOS square taper Shimano with
> > 110), but then saw
> > > a
> > > Victory BB (English) on ebay that claimed a spindle
> length
> > of 112. Can
> > > someone tell me for certain? If I have to end up using
> > something modern
> > > like a
> > > UN-52, is there a taper different that I need to take
> into
> > account?
> > > Apologies
> > > in advance if I'm skirting the timeline a bit too
> closely.
> >
> > If you measure the distance across the flats, you'll see
> that
> > the
> > Campy/clones/Stronglight/etc. spindles are thinner, so a
> > Shimano or other
> > JIS-standard spindle won't go as far into the hole in the
> > crankarms. This
> > will make the JIS spindle effectively about 5.5mm longer
> > (2.75mm each end)
> > as far as your chainline and Q-factor are concerned.
> This
> > fitment is
> > generally not recommended, though I know of folks who did
> > this and I
> > witnessed that their chainrings remained perfectly
> in-plane
> > and that is was
> > reliable in these cases.
> > Measured at about 3mm from the end, a Campy-type (ISO)
> > spindle measures
> > about 12.7mm across, while a JIS spindle measures about
> > 12.9mm across. The
> > taper angle (included angle) between opposite flats is
> > exactly 2-degrees for
> > both types. This translates to just under 3mm difference
> in
> > terms of the
> > depth that the spindle enters each crankarm.
> > I'm not sure what length spindle Victory used. In these
> > cases I typically
> > test-fit a known spindle that's my best guess, then bolt
> on
> > the right arm
> > and check for chainring clearance. I often use
> > shorter-than-spec spindle
> > lengths to improve chainline on the bigger ring and cogs.
> >
> > David Snyder
> > Auburn, CA
> > USA
> > Mars
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