Regarding the old discussion over the long reach Super Record brake levers ... IIRC, the debate was whether Campagnolo produced them with the CIRCULAR CABLE RELIEF under the lever blade, or only with the "U" shaped relief, that came out in about 1974 or so. Am I mistaken? I too have lever sets with the old bend and factory SR treatment, but I have yet to see a set, proved as factory original, with the circular relief.
My point? ... That was indeed a valid discussion, and one with a premise that is yet not proved, or disproved (other than no one being able to produce the oldest relief version, STILL believed to exist only in myth).
So, both of these discussions remain un"solved", and both merit experienced opinions fostering the pros and the cons of these subjects.
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI ~ ~ ~
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Super Record pedals had super finish?
Geeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... I swear it gets frustrating sometimes. It's not anyone in particular, but I really get tired of hearing "no, X, Y, and Z are this way, we all know that." I heard this about the first generation SR brake levers years ago, when a couple of prominent Campiphiles swore up and down that the "long reach" Campy SR brake levers only existed as line drawings, and were otherwise the stuff of myth. That I was off my rocker. I now own a set, have another in the pipeline, and have since seen a few others.
This list should not be about the perpetuation of conventional wisdom and folklore. It should not be about preserving history as we remember it. It should be about going back and taking a closer look, piecing together the details that just didn't matter when we were simply riding the stuff.
I understand that we don't all approach this hobby from anything like the same perspective. Some of us just love riding old bikes. Some of us are serious students of the constructeurs. Some of us are passionate about race history. For whatever reason, I'm a little wierd about 70's and 80's Campy, and the details of the development of those products. I have kindred spirits in Japan, in guys like "HiCampy" and here in the US, in guys like Jon Barron. In point of fact, they deal with older, early productioon stuff that predates my interest in cycling and is unaffordable to me, but I appreciate the level of study they bring to this hobby.
I'm NOT asking that only the "experts" reply to my posts, I'm only asking that people read closely what everyone else writes, looking for the salient points, the questions, the new information, and then consider whether there is something they can contribute. In the case of what I posted about SR pedals, I think it was pretty clear from the get-go that I was aware that most folks believe there is no difference between SR and SL pedal bodies (other than the races, obviously). I hope it was clear that I'm aware that some SRs do, in fact, look just like SLs. I think it was clear that, based on visual evidence new to me, that I'm starting to wonder if the expert listmember who previously asserted that SR bodies are better finished than SLs may have been at least partly correct. This listmember is one of the guys who swore the old SR levers were the stuff of myth, so I'd like to see him be right on this one.
Useful information would include things along the lines of, "yes, I have a set of SRs that look just like the picture. They are on my all-original 1975 Team Pro..." It would not include, "I have a set of SRs, they look just like SLs, they all do." Unless, of course, you have seen ALL the SR pedals.
Respectfully,
Tom Dalton
Bethlehem, PA