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This 58cm 1972 complete Derosa should be an interesting auction to watch. First, it is the same vintage I think as the one that a listmember bought (just the frame) for about what the starting bid is, $2000. Second, the seller is asking a bit for shipping, as in about $150. I would think that would mean that the California buyers who can pick it up in Sunnyvale will be all over this one. Lou Deeter, "glad I live in Florida" Orlando FL