Re: [CR]Was: downtube & top tube replacement.. Now, cold setting...

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:05:38 -0700
From: "Verizon" <smwillis@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Was: downtube & top tube replacement.. Now, cold setting...
To: "Troy Courtney" <troy@cccycles.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Sooooo, what happen next? All ears Steven
Steven Willis
1778 East Second Street
Scotch Plains NJ 07076
908-322-3330
http://www.thebikestand.com


----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Courtney
To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Was: downtube & top tube replacement.. Now, cold setting...



> The second frame I built was for my wife. I used the TrueTemper RCX2 heat
> treated set. When I completes the frame the rear drops had closed up and
> were offset by about 5 mm on one side and 2 mm on the other. Not huge, but
> needed to be corrected. Locked down the BB shell and started to crank on
> the stays. The one that was 2 mm out came back in with some effort but not
> too bad. Likewise, the one that was 5 mm out moved about 2 mm relatively
> easily. But it would not budge for the remaining 3 mm. The stay would just
> spring back to where it had started. On my last attempt I gave it nice
> hard pull...then "SNAP", the stay folded in two.
>
> The heat treated tubes are tough.
>
> Troy
>
> Courtney Custom Cycles
> Geneva, IL
> http://www.cccycles.com
>
>
>
> At 04:01 PM 6/29/2005, oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
>><< Executive summary: Reynolds wasn't kidding. Rather than taking a cold
>>set, 753 resists completely until a critical threshold, then fails
>>completely. >>
>>
>>Ha! That truly is a unique experience..
>>
>>There WAS a local builder named, Chris Wittman made frames under the
>>"Slim" label (don't ask)
>>
>> He called me up one day asking to come to my home work shop (Cirque
>> folks know it well) and have me assist him with my alignment table on an
>> Columbus EL-OS frame that he"had built a little off." Oh yeah, it was a
>> little off alright!
>>
>>Anyway, I let him do the brute force bit after I had clamped it in and
>>realized how far off it really was... He grunted and heaved and jumped up
>>using his whole body to try to bend it... Then out of the blue, it went
>>POW! Totally twisted into a wrinkle potato chip! Awesome! But we both were
>>amazed how much oomph he had to use.. Steel is real, baby!
>>
>>
>>
>>Dale Brown
>>cycles de ORO, Inc
>>1410 Mill Street
>>Greensboro, NC 27408 USA
>>336-274-5959
>>www.cyclesdeoro.com
>>www.classicrendezvous.com
>>Giant, Specialized, Bianchi, Felt, Orbea, Litespeed, Kuota, Argon 18,
>>Colnago, Landshark, Townie and other exotica.
>>Member, board of directors, National Bicycle Dealers Association
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
>>To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>Sent: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:21:01 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [CR]Frame Repair/downtube & top tube replacement.....?s
>>
>> oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>Steve, that reminds me that you CAN get away with amazing stuff with
>>>steel frames.
>>> A former shop employee of mine & racer girl (Vikki Coffey as many of
>>>you NC boys will remember.. fast rider, gorgeous and smart) endo-ed
>>her
>>>DeRosa and Ijacked it back out... she rode it another year and sold it
>>>to Rick Dedman in Southern Pines (an attorney no less!) who rode it
>>>another 5 or 6 years! Astounding!
>>
>>Some steel frames, anyway. I wouldn't try that with a 753 frame!
>>
>>We had more than a couple crashed 753 frames returned to us at Trek;
>>we'd just build a new frame as a replacement. Reynolds did not recommend
>>cold-setting 753, so we decided to see what would happen using these
>>damaged frames as crash-test dummies. Executive summary: Reynolds wasn't
>>kidding. Rather than taking a cold set, 753 resists completely until a
>>critical threshold, then fails completely.
>>
>>--
>>John (john@os2.dhs.org)
>>Appleton WI USA